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    How important do you feel it is to Toe the party line?

    Whatever party you prefer...

    How important do you feel that it is to toe the party line?

    For example one of my seantors from Alaska Lisa Murkowski often votes against her party.

    How do you feel about that?

    Do your beliefs come before or after your party afiliation?
    Do you have to agree with all aspects of your chosen political party?
    As a elected official are you responsible for always voting with your party?

    KEVIN SANDERS
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    #2
    Whatever party one belongs to they are still an individual. As an individual they still have a right to their belief system. Their beliefs may not toe the party line. The party line is a broad system and each of us believes in a more narrow system. The party line tries to encompass the beliefs of the majority of the party. The party is not always right or wrong. An individual politician of any party still has the right to follow their personal beliefs. Take the recent Senate trial of Trump. Romney did not toe the party line when he voted to charge Trump on one count. After listening to his explanation I could understand how he came to his conclusion. Now personally I did not agree with his decision but I understand why he voted that way. He may pay a price for not toeing the line but he's not up for re-election any time soon.

    I believe that ones beliefs come before party affiliation.

    I think that as an individual you do not have to agree with all aspects of your party.

    As an elected official you should vote your beliefs and ideals even if it sometimes does not agree with your party.

    Bottom line, we are all individuals and have the rights to follow our individual belief systems. That said, I am conservative and that means my personal beliefs line up more with the platform of the Republican party. It is what it is.
    Rick Grew

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    2004 Past Commodore
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      #3
      Originally posted by RGrew176 View Post
      Whatever party one belongs to they are still an individual. As an individual they still have a right to their belief system. Their beliefs may not toe the party line. The party line is a broad system and each of us believes in a more narrow system. The party line tries to encompass the beliefs of the majority of the party. The party is not always right or wrong. An individual politician of any party still has the right to follow their personal beliefs. Take the recent Senate trial of Trump. Romney did not toe the party line when he voted to charge Trump on one count. After listening to his explanation I could understand how he came to his conclusion. Now personally I did not agree with his decision but I understand why he voted that way. He may pay a price for not toeing the line but he's not up for re-election any time soon.

      I believe that ones beliefs come before party affiliation.

      I think that as an individual you do not have to agree with all aspects of your party.

      As an elected official you should vote your beliefs and ideals even if it sometimes does not agree with your party.

      Bottom line, we are all individuals and have the rights to follow our individual belief systems. That said, I am conservative and that means my personal beliefs line up more with the platform of the Republican party. It is what it is.
      I think you're missing a point. An elected individual is elected by the people to represent the people, not to vote based on their beliefs and ideals, if those beliefs and ideals go against what most of their constituents want.


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        #4
        If the elected official is going to vote the party line why bother having that position, just invoke the party line and save the funds paid to that individual. So an election would be Gop or Dem no one running just the party line to decide all issues. It reminds me of a dictatorship or a monarchy which the US fought to get away from many years ago.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Norton_Rider View Post

          I think you're missing a point. An elected individual is elected by the people to represent the people, not to vote based on their beliefs and ideals, if those beliefs and ideals go against what most of their constituents want.

          I do not agree with that, as long as the elected official was not misleading regarding his or her beliefs and ideals.

          We elect representatives based on our alignment with that candidates beliefs and ideals. If “most” of the constituents want a person to vote a certain way, ten that person would naturally get elected in all but the presidential election.

          The American President is a different story. Our forefathers devised a way, wether intentional or not to make popularity a partial factor, but not the necessarily deciding factor.

          KEVIN SANDERS
          4788 LISAS WAY - SEWARD ALASKA
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            #6
            Originally posted by ksanders View Post

            I do not agree with that, as long as the elected official was not misleading regarding his or her beliefs and ideals.

            We elect representatives based on our alignment with that candidates beliefs and ideals. If “most” of the constituents want a person to vote a certain way, ten that person would naturally get elected.
            Agreed, but people do not always reveal their true beliefs and ideals. Sometimes it's on purpose and other times for no fault of their own.

            ​​​​Moreover we all know that politicians need to address key issues in order to get elected. It's the issues that they do not need to address to get elected that worry me.
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              #7
              I think once we get to a strict party line of ideas, we open ourselves up to a group think situation. Theres no way to agree with anothers thoughts on every topic under the sun.

              In short...no you don't have to vote party line but politicians should vote along the thoughts they PROMISED to represent. The issue is there are so many variables in many decisions, things get convoluted along the way.

              So in say I'm going to stand for Tax reduction and stronger military. That doesnt mean if I vote to spend another billion on defense that I've gone against overall effort to reduce taxes elsewhere.

              I say to remove the party affiliation on the ballot in general election...if the voter is too ignorant to select the person who represents their ideals then stay home and dont vote...rather have fewer voters who are more informed than ignorant folks casting ballots.
              2008 H210SS Four Winns
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              Prior: 1997 2050SS Bayliner
              Brad / Texas Gulf Coast

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                #8
                We should abolish political parties and just vote on an individual based on their record and what they promise their voters.

                Promises Made - Promises Kept model

                If the elected official makes good on their promises they will probably be reelected. If they don't they will probably not be reelected.
                It's all a dream
                '03 245 5.7/BIII & '07 Sedona pontoon

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Don9 View Post
                  We should abolish political parties and just vote on an individual based on their record and what they promise their voters.

                  Promises Made - Promises Kept model

                  If the elected official makes good on their promises they will probably be reelected. If they don't they will probably not be reelected.
                  As long as you have people you will always have political parties, at least in a free society.
                  Rick Grew

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                  2004 Past Commodore
                  West River Yacht & Cruising Club
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by RGrew176 View Post

                    As long as you have people you will always have political parties, at least in a free society.
                    Not if they learn the truth. In today's world, political parties are used to divide the people.
                    It's all a dream
                    '03 245 5.7/BIII & '07 Sedona pontoon

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                      #11
                      It's interesting to say the least....the general ideals of the Republican party today were held by the Democrat party and vice versa. As time progressed the poles swapped and that's where we are today.

                      talking to old timer Democrats, it's as though they're beliefs are more aligned with Republicans but simply refuse to change their affiliation....especially true in farming and rural areas it seems to me.
                      2008 H210SS Four Winns
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                      • TX H210 SS
                        TX H210 SS commented
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                        But these old line Democrats will NOT be in Bernies camp....if he gets the dem nod this will be a huge landslide for Trump come November. My guess anyway

                      • ksanders
                        ksanders commented
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                        I agree! America is not ready for a overt socialist as president

                      #12
                      I want my elected officials to put what is best for the greater good on whatever topic as the direction to vote. I elect them because I think that they will do what is best / right for the society. Party is only a very small part in my selection of candidates.
                      1. I believe the little guy probably does deserve a bit of extra protection from our societal structures.
                      2. I believe that money will find a way to make more money.
                      3. I believe that people that want to push people down through laws because of who they are at the core (race, religion, sex, sexuality, etc.) probably do not deserve to be elected.
                      4. I do not believe that a corporation has the same rights/interests as an individual.
                      5. I do believe that both parties in the US do not have advancement/betterment of society as a whole as a priority.
                      6. I believe that a good solution to most any problem will require compromise if it is to work well for 100's of Millions of people.
                      7. I think our Federal Government has a responsibility to set expectations equally for education so people can be successful anywhere within the country.
                      8. I believe that employer provided healthcare has been the biggest drag on middle-class wage growth for the past 40 years because it stifles portability.
                      1999 Sandpiper Pilothouse - Current
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                        #13
                        In my opinion, one must vote for the person who best represents ones views. That elected person should present those views to the party and the party should conduct themselves accordingly. The party should not be dictating (forcing) their views unto the population. The government is elected by the people for the people. That is why, in a free democracy, an elected official can be removed from office at the ballot box, or otherwise, if he or she no longer represents the people or the constitution.
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