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    #16
    Exactly correct !
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      #17
      Where I live we have our background checks done by the state TBI (Tennessee Bureau of Investigation) using the Tennessee Instant Check System (TICS) and it only takes about 20 minutes. I have a "carry" permit for handguns.

      So back to this bill .... Would this NICS database system be used for all states and would it move us towards a "universal background check system", like the anti-gun activists want? (Trojan Horse)

      A Federal gun control system is not so much an issue when our government is controlled by conservatives. But when the next Obama type or Bloomberg type gets in office with a progressive liberal controlled congress then they would have much more power to change federal gun laws that affect everyone because the individual states would have given up some or all state gun control rights.

      As far as the Vegas mass shooting goes ... anyone looking closely at the facts and what witnesses are saying, they would quickly determine that the official story pushed by Federal/State law enforcement full of holes and crumbling before our eyes. This is why the worst mass shooting in our history is no longer discussed publicly by Federal/State law enforcement or in MSM. They have gone silent just a short week after the mass shooting. They are not even using this tragic event to push more gun control laws which speaks volumes. Several people who survived the shooting without injury have suddenly died and these were people who publicly spoke out on what they saw, which is in conflict with the official story.
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        #18
        So back to this bill .... Would this NICS database system be used for all states and would it move us towards a "universal background check system", like the anti-gun activists want? (Trojan Horse)

        A Federal gun control system is not so much an issue when our government is controlled by conservatives. But when the next Obama type or Bloomberg type gets in office with a progressive liberal controlled congress then they would have much more power to change federal gun laws that affect everyone because the individual states would have given up some or all state gun control rights.
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        Not sure but I believe such a system exists in Canada. Perhaps one of our Northern Neighbors could comment on how it works and whether or not it’s considered too intrusive?
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          #19
          Originally posted by Douggy View Post

          So back to this bill .... Would this NICS database system be used for all states and would it move us towards a "universal background check system", like the anti-gun activists want? (Trojan Horse)

          A Federal gun control system is not so much an issue when our government is controlled by conservatives. But when the next Obama type or Bloomberg type gets in office with a progressive liberal controlled congress then they would have much more power to change federal gun laws that affect everyone because the individual states would have given up some or all state gun control rights.
          Here in Alaska we use the instant check system and it works pretty well. It is not a perfect system in that a “false hit” that is incorrect is not kept in the system, so someone that gets a “delay” on the intial run, then a “sell” authorization, will continue t get that same response each time they purchase a firearm. Alaska CC license holders do not have t get “instant checked” to buy a firearm, since their CC is sufficient to show that they have thelegal right to own a firearm

          I do not have a problem with the federal system. As a law abiding firearms owner I do not want firearms in the hands of the wrong people. I also do not worry about the “trojan Horse” you mentioned. In the SCOTUS Heller decision the individual right to keep and bear arms was affirmed. As long as we have our Constitution in place that right will not be taken away.

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            #20
            That's the idea behind NICS. It's a Federal database that 30 states currently use (Alaska and Washington do) but I'd be interested in all states having this in place. It keeps the decision in the hands of states, but allows the Federal government to do their job. We should force states to comply with laws that are currently on the books in a uniform matter (rather than dream up new laws).

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              #21
              Here in Vermont they also have instant background checks. Owners also don't require any kind of permit to carry concealed. I'm not sure how someone would fare regarding reciprocity when there's no license to start with. And yet if licensing remains to be defined by the states, would Vermonters be exempt from requiring some kind of permit if we pass a reciprocity bill?
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                #22
                Originally posted by simo View Post
                Here in Vermont they also have instant background checks. Owners also don't require any kind of permit to carry concealed. I'm not sure how someone would fare regarding reciprocity when there's no license to start with. And yet if licensing remains to be defined by the states, would Vermonters be exempt from requiring some kind of permit if we pass a reciprocity bill?
                Here’s where the problems arise. You neighbor NY requires an extensive background check by the state police, FBI fingerprinting and background checks, then you have to go to your local county judge and apply for a cc permit. You need to have sufficient “legitimate” reasons as to why you want a permit, and one of them can not be for self defense. If the judge accepts your reasons and you clear the background checks, then they will issue the permit. Next step is if you want to buy a handgun you need to go to the dealer, pay for the gun, get the sellers paperwork including make, model and serial number of the gun, take it to the county sheriff to get the specific gun added to your permit, then go back to the seller to pick up the weapon. Easy, right?

                I’m sure NY is not going to want someone from Vermont where no permit is required to just waltz over the border with their concealed handgun. The Federal government has allowed the states to bastardize the process so much, I can’t see how this will ever work. Same problems with California where they have a list of “approved” handguns, and if you have one not on the list, you can’t have it, or at least, can’t legally carry it.

                i think the outcome of this process will be that the bill will pass the senate if the NICS funding is included, then the states will be directed to adhere to the federal law wherein many of the states like NY, CT, MA will sue the federal government over the reciprocity part of the legislation which will take years and eventually end up at the SCOTUS. Meanwhile the NICS funding portion of the bill will trot merrily along and the feds will get to spend an extra 600 or so million plugging the holes in the current reporting system from the other Federal agencies who are not meeting their obligations currently.

                End result may be that nothing changes unless the SCOTUS finds that the federal government and not the states has the right to determine who and how a handgun is owned and carried. I see many of the states fighting hard to retain their soviergnty over this issue. It will not be resolved in just a few years.
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                  #23
                  From what I have read and how I understand the reciprocity between states is like this. If you have a permit to carry in your state, take mine for example, Michigan. When I travel to or through Ohio for instance the state of Ohio will recognize my Michigan permit to carry concealed just like Michigan does.

                  Now you go to a state where a permit to carry concealed is not required and therefore you do not have a carry permit you cannot carry in another state. Michigan's legislature is currently working on a bill to allow concealed carry here in Michigan without a permit. I am fine with that. I personally will continue to renew my permit so I can carry in other states that reciprocate with my state so I can conceal carry there. Without a permit I could only conceal carry in Michigan. I would not be allowed to conceal carry in any other state.

                  When I took my concealed carry class this issue came up because even back then Michigan was discussing non permit concealed carry. Our instructor stated that you would still need to apply for and obtain a CC Permit to carry concealed in any other state that recognizes the Michigan permit. I believe the national reciprocity bill is working along the same lines. You need the permit to carry outside your state.
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                    #24
                    Yes, but the problem is with states like California and New York, who don’t recognize any other state permits. I have a SC resident permit and a Utah Non resident permit, and with those I can carry in 40 +/- states, but still can’t carry in NY, NJ, CA, CT, CO, IL, RI, MA, MD, DE, or HI. I wonder how that will be dealt with by National Reciprocity?
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                      #25
                      Can I just say, anyone that thinks the Las Vegas mass murder is somehow a conspiracy - well let me put it this way.

                      What the hell is wrong with you ? Are you mentally impaired ? Is your crackpot theory the government is murdering innocent people to enact gun control ?

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Rick_Kenyon View Post
                        Yes, but the problem is with states like California and New York, who don’t recognize any other state permits. I have a SC resident permit and a Utah Non resident permit, and with those I can carry in 40 +/- states, but still can’t carry in NY, NJ, CA, CT, CO, IL, RI, MA, MD, DE, or HI. I wonder how that will be dealt with by National Reciprocity?
                        I think that national reciprocity will take care of that problem and you and I will be able to carry in NY and other states that now do not allow it.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by iceclimber View Post
                          Can I just say, anyone that thinks the Las Vegas mass murder is somehow a conspiracy - well let me put it this way.

                          What the hell is wrong with you ? Are you mentally impaired ? Is your crackpot theory the government is murdering innocent people to enact gun control ?
                          Interesting ... No one here claimed "the government is murdering innocent people to enact gun control" except for you.
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by iceclimber View Post
                            Can I just say, anyone that thinks the Las Vegas mass murder is somehow a conspiracy - well let me put it this way.

                            What the hell is wrong with you ? Are you mentally impaired ? Is your crackpot theory the government is murdering innocent people to enact gun control ?
                            The only observation I read was that it was interesting that despite it being a casino where there is a lot of high tech video security systems, it was interesting that there is no video of this guy anywhere on the property. Also interesting that there is no theory yet as to “why” he did it. Just saying those facts are strange, especially when they knew within a day what the background was and reasons why the Texas church shooter did his killing. Dishonorable discharge from the Air Force, fighting with ex wife and in laws, shouldn’t have been able to buy the guns, etc. You made the jump to where you are in the analysis.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Rick_Kenyon View Post

                              The only observation I read was that it was interesting that despite it being a casino where there is a lot of high tech video security systems, it was interesting that there is no video of this guy anywhere on the property. Also interesting that there is no theory yet as to “why” he did it. Just saying those facts are strange, especially when they knew within a day what the background was and reasons why the Texas church shooter did his killing. Dishonorable discharge from the Air Force, fighting with ex wife and in laws, shouldn’t have been able to buy the guns, etc. You made the jump to where you are in the analysis.
                              There are numerous anomalies in the vegas shooting. For one, at least 9 witnesses to the shooting and who spoke out publicly on what they saw, who weren't injured in the shooting, have suddenly died since the shooting.
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                                #30
                                I'll get excited when the suppressor bill comes along.

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