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    A story of two boats. One survived, one sank.

    Here is a link to a story in Passagemaker about a couple that lost their boat to Hurricane Dorian

    https://www.passagemaker.com/trawler...MIu4LZKVlM_7ZE

    Here are two links to youtube videos posted by two guys who fled dorian and saved their boat.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_3d4LEGGII

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0P30TeFtqRU&t=1433s

    Two different sets of people see the exact same situation forming, and analyze the risk differently.

    Both had the opportunity to escape and save their boats.

    One made a poor decision, lost their boat and almost died in the process.
    The other made a good decision, were inconvenienced and still have their boat.

    What are your thoughts on this???

    KEVIN SANDERS
    4788 LISAS WAY - SEWARD ALASKA
    where are we right now​​​​​​???​

    https://share.findmespot.com/shared/...j23OquWOj2N3Xe

    #2
    Interesting differences. The folks that lost their boat made what appears to be a reasonable decision and took the second best action available. Obviously, in hindsight, leaving and going to south Florida. Who expected or predicted that Dorian would increase to a cat five and then park itself on top of the Bahamas? It’s too bad they lost their boat, but some of the comments about them is just incredible, and imo, sad.
    P/C Pete
    Edmonds Yacht Club (Commodore 1993)
    1988 3818 "GLAUBEN”
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    1980 Encounter Sunbridge "Misty Blue" (Sold)
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      #3
      Here is a link to another couple that decided to leave and saved their boat

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxSr4He0MA

      KEVIN SANDERS
      4788 LISAS WAY - SEWARD ALASKA
      where are we right now​​​​​​???​

      https://share.findmespot.com/shared/...j23OquWOj2N3Xe

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        #4
        Both incredible stories. They both felt like they did what they needed to do to be safe.

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          #5
          The way I see it is that there was very little risk in leaving the area, and a lot to be gained IF the storm intensified.

          I see leaving the area in this case as inconvenient, both to you and your guests that had just flown in, but not risky.

          To me, being inconvienced to avoid a large risk is something you do. It’s just being prepared, just like having some extra food around is being prepared.

          I am not highly respectful of those that fail to be inconvenienced. Boat insurance is a shared risk pool, and not regionalized. All of our rates will go up a bit because of this. We all pay for this failure just a bit.


          KEVIN SANDERS
          4788 LISAS WAY - SEWARD ALASKA
          where are we right now​​​​​​???​

          https://share.findmespot.com/shared/...j23OquWOj2N3Xe

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            #6
            So living in Florida and having taken our boat to the marina where Mudpuddle Rose was destroyed, hindsight is always 20/20 with these storms. When you look at how each storm has traveled it is very difficult to determine the accuracy of the information you are getting. We watched from Jacksonville as Irma made her way up through Florida and the predictions were all over the board as to whether Irma would go east or west (she crossed from West to East) and our boat weather the Cat 1 winds there while we enjoyed sunshine in Pensacola. Like the captain of Mudpuddle we have been through a few hurricanes when we were in the Caribbean and know what a low level "normal" hurricane or tropical storm is like. Had Dorian been a "normal" hurricane his experience from previous storms would have done him well. Dorian being a Cat 5 changed everything and yes, the captain of Black Diamond took things much more seriously and fled to the states, to his credit. But he was also in a better position to run. He was a relatively short run to Miami across the Gulfstream. Mudpuddle's Captain was 2-3 days out from the US Mainland and knowing how the crossing can be in the Gulfstream he may have seen a very rough crossing and thought his chances were better at the docks with the original Cat 3 prediction only to find it was too late to run from Dorian as he turned into a Cat 5.

            We all make decisions with the knowledge we have and for those of you who haven't been through a hurricane, you won't understand the issues and variables that come with them. West Coast US storms with winds are not like the hurricanes we get here...we have boated on the West Coast so we know from experience. we are watching "TS Karen" as I type this since she is making a turn west towards the Bahamas and probably Florida where we are on the West Coast in Ft. Myers. We will watch and make decisions about running or not as she gets closer, but as I said, we each make our own decisions and there will be those who choose to stay in a marina vs. run. Nature will decide their boat's fate.
            We have No Plan and we're sticking to it...,

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              #7
              Impossible to say if there was a right or wrong way to respond since it is up to the captain if he feels that he and his crew have the ability to make the trip without putting themselves or their vessel in jeopardy. Pretty easy to sit here and play armchair Admiral. I feel for anybody that is put in that position.

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                #8
                The way we learn not to make mistakes is not through making them ourselves and learning the hard lessons, it’s to analyze others actions.

                It’s not judgmental in a malicious way, it is the only way we learn.

                I have watched several youtube videos made by people in the same harbor, who analyzed the same data, yet made a different decision to run from the storm. The direct result of that decision making was that their boats were saved, and their crew stayed a long way out of harms way. That kind of after the fact analysis, leads me to believe, that placed in a similar situation, the best decision would be to leave the area.

                In fact I have yet to find a report of anybody trying to flee a storm in their boat, that resulted in a worse situation than staying and riding the storm out.

                We make that same kind of analysis with many things in life. Aircraft accidents are a big one that comes to mind. Actually every decision I personally make in life and business gets analyzed a thousand times after the fact. I use that data to be a better businessman, a better professional, and yes a better person.

                We do better by not repeating our, or others mistakes.

                KEVIN SANDERS
                4788 LISAS WAY - SEWARD ALASKA
                where are we right now​​​​​​???​

                https://share.findmespot.com/shared/...j23OquWOj2N3Xe

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