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    Honda 25 Outboard for My 2859

    I have a 2859 with a swim step that I'd like to put
    a Honda 25 outboard motor on as a kicker or trolling
    motor. There was a bracket for an outboard on the
    step before, but it isn't there now. I'm wondering if
    the swim step is strong enough to hold a Honda 25
    and take the stress of running (slowly) using it.

    I'm thinking that at least I'll need a backing plate for
    the bolts that will hold the bracket. Also, what type
    of bracket would you recommend? The motor has
    integral tipping up (electric, no less)

    As I walk the docks, the boats in the 28 foot range
    seem to have smaller kicker/troller outboards. Is
    a 25 just too big? It weighs 160 pounds.

    Thanks for any info.
    1994 2859 in Tacoma, WA
    7.4 Mercruiser
    Still learning about other systems
    and specs.

    #2
    The last time I had a Bayliner with a swim step that had a kicker bracket it was rated for 10hp max.
    Don
    1995 Maxum 2400 SCR LUNA DE MIEL
    1988 Bayliner 2455 (sold)
    1976 Tahiti 16.5 I/O (sold)
    10 ft livingston (lost in fire )
    1987 18ft. Seaswirl cuddy (lost in fire)
    "Is it better to be on a boat thinking about God, or be in church thinking about boating?"

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      #3
      You're only going to get a max of hull speed with a kicker, it doesn't take 25hp to get there. Look at a high thrust 9.9 HP, they are commonly used on sail boats. I have one with a XL shaft on my 2452, it's plenty of power.
      1996 Bayliner 2452, 5.7, A1G2. Needs a lot of work!

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        #4
        Originally posted by jameslee97206 View Post
        You're only going to get a max of hull speed with a kicker, it doesn't take 25hp to get there. Look at a high thrust 9.9 HP, they are commonly used on sail boats. I have one with a XL shaft on my 2452, it's plenty of power.
        But I already have the 25. I understand it won't plane
        the boat. I'm just gonna use it as an emergency backup.
        It doesn't have to be run very hard.

        I'm guessing it would be fine at 160 pounds, since two
        of us commonly stand on the swim step and that's well
        over 300 pounds. If it only runs slowly I'm pretty sure
        it won't overstress the swim step.
        1994 2859 in Tacoma, WA
        7.4 Mercruiser
        Still learning about other systems
        and specs.

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          #5
          Many things will work, are the best choice ? I have a 15HP Merc. @ 130Lbs, one thing to consider is the overall weight gain to the overall load. One other question coms to mind, have you removed the concrete from the Port side adjacent to the Eng. ?
          Slightly modified 2859 6.5 Diesel Bravo III X drive
          96 Dodge 5.9 5 speed Gear vender OD.

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            #6
            Your going to only be about 60 or so lbs over a 9.9. But, its not during use that the load is going to impact the swim step - its when its raised up and your running 35. Lots of bounce then.
            My swim step has stress cracks in it here and there, and I'll likely replace it in a coupe years. When I do,I'll be doing a cut out step that lets me mount the kicker to the transom.
            I'd really like to have a 25 also - many times the 9.9 doesnt have the snot to get the boat to turn into a wind or a tide.
            97 2859

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              #7
              Originally posted by fritzman View Post
              Many things will work, are the best choice ? I have a 15HP Merc. @ 130Lbs, one thing to consider is the overall weight gain to the overall load. One other question coms to mind, have you removed the concrete from the Port side adjacent to the Eng. ?
              I haven't got the moxie to take out the concrete,
              but I'd love to.
              1994 2859 in Tacoma, WA
              7.4 Mercruiser
              Still learning about other systems
              and specs.

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                #8
                Originally posted by JThiessen View Post
                Your going to only be about 60 or so lbs over a 9.9. But, its not during use that the load is going to impact the swim step - its when its raised up and your running 35. Lots of bounce then.
                My swim step has stress cracks in it here and there, and I'll likely replace it in a coupe years. When I do,I'll be doing a cut out step that lets me mount the kicker to the transom.
                I'd really like to have a 25 also - many times the 9.9 doesnt have the snot to get the boat to turn into a wind or a tide.
                Yup, you're right. I guess I'll just look for a
                lighter engine to put there.

                I just saw an engine mount that was like a
                crane from the transom so the engine isn't
                connected to the step. The arm raised and
                lowered the engine. That becomes more
                complicated and changes the concern to
                whether the transom is reinforced enough
                to take that load.

                Oh, well. Looks like the 25 won't be feasible.

                Thanks for the replies.
                1994 2859 in Tacoma, WA
                7.4 Mercruiser
                Still learning about other systems
                and specs.

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                  #9
                  As for the concrete I posted pictures in the owners listing 2858-59 it is not to difficult, just dirty and dusty, but opens one more storage spot.
                  Slightly modified 2859 6.5 Diesel Bravo III X drive
                  96 Dodge 5.9 5 speed Gear vender OD.

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                    #10
                    Yeah, I followed the thread.about it. Still can't get up
                    the gumption to tackle the job though.
                    1994 2859 in Tacoma, WA
                    7.4 Mercruiser
                    Still learning about other systems
                    and specs.

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                      #11
                      I used to have a 20HP Tohatsu on my old 288 that was about 140lbs. I ended up adding 2 additional stainless reinforcement struts in addition to the 3 that were already there. The issue is the weight combined with the pounding of the waves in rough seas. That 160Lb adds a great deal of force at the end of the swimstep and it's not really designed to hold it. After adding the reinforcement things worked out just great. The one advantage of the higher HP is steering the boat - the greater thrust makes it easier to steer the boat when the wind is on your nose -- only a big deal if you're fishing.
                      Terry
                      1999 Bayliner 3388
                      Twin Cummins 4BTA
                      Fisherman, Cruiser, Boaticus-enthusiasticus-maximus
                      Member Royal Victoria Yacht Club

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                        #12
                        I have a Tohatsu 20HP as a kicker on my 2859. It is on a Garelic bracket (rated for 175# and 25hp), and I use a 3/4 swim platform (originally from a smaller Bayliner Discovery).
                        I think you will be OK if you beef up the swim platform and supports, but still you will have a lot of weight hanging at the back with some leverage because it is offset by the width of swim platform.
                        Same motor on a bracket in a raised position is much closer to transom, helps with "heavy back syndrom" and with total boat length when docking.
                        Alex
                        1997 2859, 7.4 MPI, Bravo II
                        1993 2452, 5.7 Bravo II - SOLD

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                          #13
                          Thanks for the responses. Good information.
                          I learned a lot. Probably will get a 9.9.
                          1994 2859 in Tacoma, WA
                          7.4 Mercruiser
                          Still learning about other systems
                          and specs.

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                            #14
                            Ive got a Merc 9.9 XL shaft Pro Kicker that works well on my swim step. If I had it to do all over again, Id probably get a 15 because of the fuel injection and higher amp output than the 9.9. Ive had it push my gal home 40 miles before.
                            "REEL WILD"
                            2001 2859 FNM 300 Diesel-Bravo 2
                            Anchorage, Alaska
                            If you don't like the weather, wait 15 minutes.......

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by aknurse View Post
                              Ive got a Merc 9.9 XL shaft Pro Kicker that works well on my swim step. If I had it to do all over again, Id probably get a 15 because of the fuel injection and higher amp output than the 9.9. Ive had it push my gal home 40 miles before.
                              Thanks. Something to think about.
                              1994 2859 in Tacoma, WA
                              7.4 Mercruiser
                              Still learning about other systems
                              and specs.

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