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  • builderdude
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    2” - 2 1/4” total thickness around the keyhole area, it’ll step down to a much thinner build up outside of that area, could only be 1” or so. The inner skin will be anywhere between 1/8” - 1/4”. The core material (plywood) around the keyhole is 1 1/2”. The outside hull layer is around 3/8 - 1/2”.
    If the core is rotten you’ll feel a difference in the resistance against your drill bit when you hit the outside hull layer.

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  • Quetz
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    I am going digging or drilling (Test holes) tomorrow. Does anyone know how thick the transom is on a 2002 - 2252? I don't want to go through.

    I have been reading and was quite surprised how many transoms fail on these boats. I thought it was a rare occurrence.

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  • builderdude
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    Poor glass work by OEM coupled with unsealed holes bored into and through the transom are the cause of water getting into the core. I'd say it is a DIY type project depending on your availible time to work on it and your skill level, many guys on here have done it and some are currently in the process.

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  • Quetz
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    Yikes, are Bayliners that poorly made? I have had 30yo boats that were rock solid.


    If transom is rotted, then what? Are there reasonable options? Is repairing a transom something once can do a DIY project?

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  • Nauti_Mike
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    Originally posted by builderdude View Post
    Key hole is the transom cut out where the gimbal housing mounts.
    Just a thought:
    My 2556 was a 1 owner boat that had been dry stacked most of its life (except the last 3 years). It was a well cared for boat. The transom was completely rotten among a few other things.
    Dave is a good source of info here as he has had a lot of experience in this area.

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  • builderdude
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    Key hole is the transom cut out where the gimbal housing mounts.
    Just a thought:
    My 2556 was a 1 owner boat that had been dry stacked most of its life (except the last 3 years). It was a well cared for boat. The transom was completely rotten among a few other things.

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  • Quetz
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    That makes sense. The owner before me had it in a boated for 5 years and used it twice in 2 years (marina has records), so it was never in the water for long. the first owner I don't know so perhaps there was a harder start to its life the first few years. I will actually now go there this weekend instead so I will drill a few small holes, but sorry for the ignorance, what is the "keyhole"? Is it the opening in the middle of the assembly? As in the area where the suspected leak is (bottom part of assembly?

    Thanks again for your patience and help!!

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  • builderdude
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    You stated the repair facility mentioned fiberglass work related to your rather large leakage issue. My thoughts on that coupled with the pics you’ve posted lead me to question the structural integrity of the core material (plywood) in the transom.
    When you visit the boat you can drill some 1/8 holes (from the inside, and only about 1” deep) randomly around the key hole through the fiberglass skin into the transom core (plywood). Look at the material the drill bit brings out. Clean dry wood is what we want to see, wet normal wood colored shavings means it’s wet but could still be ok as far as a solid structure (clock ticking). Dark or mushy shavings means it’s rotting or has rotted away and is no longer doing its job keeping the transom from flexing thus causing your transom seal leakage.

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  • Quetz
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    Failed core? What does that mean. The boat stays in a boatel out of the water most of the time. It was bone dry when I bought it and i am keeping it in the same boatel.

    the engine ran well as did the outdrive, it only leaked when in the water so a leak around the assembly makes sense, but likely because of a blown seal I would think given everything else on the boat was so well kept.

    what would a failed core look or feel like? The engine and outdrive are out right now. I am going to go look at it tomorrow, but I'm not sure what to look for on the assembly. Couldn't have gotten into and accident and the assembly cracked and came off the sealed contact with the transom? I ask because the lower unit of the outdrive in new? (I bought it this way).

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  • builderdude
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    They’ve likely discovered a rotten transom. I’d want a firm price on what it’ll take to bring it back to a safe operational boat as once your in that far the repair/replace list grows quickly.

  • builderdude
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    There’s been a lot of water entering down low for quite a while. Transom flex will allow water to enter around the transom seal. You likely have a soft/rotten transom core causing this issue. It’s hard to tell in your pic but it looks like some cracking has occurred around the keyhole in the areas I’ve circled. That’s definitely a sign of a failed core.
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  • Nauti_Mike
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    Questions to ask them; is it the gasket on the transom assembly that's bad? Is the issue corrosion of the transom assembly that has created a hole in it? Is the transom rotten that is causing the leak as the transom assembly can't get a good seal against a mushy transom?

    If the unit is corroded slapping sealant on it will only fail later and is too much of a risk.

    Looking at the second picture you exhaust is leaking which can lead to engine damage. it should be disassemblied and inspected as it may be time to replace it.

    BTY it's not uncommon to have to disassembly to this level to be able to properly diagnose this type of leak.

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  • Quetz
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    These are the pictures they sent me with a litany of other things they said it needs, which I think it's a Crock of nonsense.

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  • Quetz
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    WTF??? Not the Ypipe!!! So after telling me it was the Ypipe my marina now said ooops its the gimble housing assembly and a blown seal. They misdiagnosed the issue and took the engine and outdrive off to figure it out. Now they are saying I need a new assembly, possible fiberglass work and it's going to cost me between $5,000 and $7,000.

    if they told me it was the assembly could I have simply put Marine sealant County housing and called it a day?
    Should I just ask him to put the boat back together and deal with it myself? Or should I just bite the bullet and pay whatever they are asking as Ransom to get the boat back?

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