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    Crank case breather hose leaking oil-gctid820700

    Hello all,

    Got a strange issue and had a couple questions... recently on a long boating trip I came across an oil leak... I traced it back to the port side crank case breather hose at the connect point on the valve cover...the leak appears to be between the hose end going into the cover and the gromit. I played around with it, moved it around, cleaned it and it just kept leaking... the amount of oil was very minimal... but I just can't figure out why it happening...engine has less than 40 hrs on it....

    I have been troubleshooting my oil pressure gauge for a while and believe it's fixed... but has not been 100% confirmed....

    Couple questions -

    Anyone think my oil pressure is too high and causing the leak? I'm using the correct oil viscosity.

    Perhaps I should just buy a new breather hose and see if that solves it?

    I inspected the starboard side and really noticed it was a much more of a tight seal than the port side.

    Thanks for any input! Cheers!


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    BOAT: 1991 - Bayliner 2556 Ciera Flybridge
    ENGINE: 357 Alpha 4V (275HP)
    OUTDRIVE: Alpha Gen 1
    RATIO: (to be updated)
    PROP: 15 1/2" X 15P
    NAME: "Knotty Oar"

    Marine Search and Rescue Crew - http://rcmsar.com/rescue-stations/southern-region/north-vancouver/

    #2
    Landin, if the valve covers were clear you'd be amazed at the amount of oil being spit from the pushrod/rocker arm area. I think you've just got a loose grommet and the hot oil is weeping through.
    Dave
    Edmonds, WA
    "THE FIX"
    '93 2556
    Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

    The rebuild of my 2556 https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...76?view=thread
    Misc. projects thread
    https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...56-gctid789773

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      #3
      Oil pressure looks a bit higher than mine but my engine has many hundreds of hours on it and yours is new. What does the gauge read at idle after a long hard run at say 3500 rpm? What oil are you using?
      Dave
      Edmonds, WA
      "THE FIX"
      '93 2556
      Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

      The rebuild of my 2556 https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...76?view=thread
      Misc. projects thread
      https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...56-gctid789773

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        #4
        Hi Dave...(as always, thanks for your input) I'm heading out for a weekend trip later today and will confirm the RPM vs. Oil pressure.

        Another strange thing I noticed was my cruising speed... at approx 2800 - 3000 rpms I'm getting about 10 nm/hr... does that speed seem incredibly slow to you? I'm running a 357 with a brand new leg... 1 month ago, I painted the hull and cleaned the prop and leg and slapped on a fresh coat of paint on the out drive... I keep reading our boays r heavy... but does that speed not seem very low to you?

        Cheers!
        BOAT: 1991 - Bayliner 2556 Ciera Flybridge
        ENGINE: 357 Alpha 4V (275HP)
        OUTDRIVE: Alpha Gen 1
        RATIO: (to be updated)
        PROP: 15 1/2" X 15P
        NAME: "Knotty Oar"

        Marine Search and Rescue Crew - http://rcmsar.com/rescue-stations/southern-region/north-vancouver/

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          #5
          "builderdude" post=820703 wrote:
          Landin, if the valve covers were clear you'd be amazed at the amount of oil being spit from the pushrod/rocker arm area. I think you've just got a loose grommet and the hot oil is weeping through.
          So glad someone posted about this, as it's been annoying me for a while. I've got the exact same issue... leaking out oil from that port side breather hose connection. Is this grommet a replacable part or is it a new valve cover?
          Tyson, Ackerley, Sidney & Gene
          Tsawwassen, BC
          1996 2858 Ciera Command Bridge
          Mercruiser 7.4L BRAVO II (GEN. V) GM 454 V-8; Engine Serial 0F603347
          "Island Passport"
          Home Marina: Tillicum Bay Marina, Sechelt Inlet, BC

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            #6
            the grommets are easily replaceable, but may have to be ordered. any autoparts store will have them or can get them and the grommets are usually ordered by size rather than engine model....

            you should check the plastic insert that the blow-by hose connects to to see if its cracked. clean it and inspect it very closely as I have seen these crack and leak.

            engine oil pressure has nothing to do with a leak at this spot, as there is no pressure to it, but the oil is only being splashed up there by the moving valves..

            and 10kts at 3000 is slow... something is wrong. mine was only making about 10kts @3100, and after checking and testing everything I could, I removed the exhaust and found a faulty flapper seal. it was restricting the flow to the point the engine couldnt breath right. it ran absolutely fantastic, but wouldnt develop any power as the rpm increased....


            NU LIBERTE'
            Salem, OR

            1989 Bayliner 2556 Convertible
            5.7 OMC Cobra - 15.5x11 prop
            N2K equipped throughout..
            2014 Ram 3500 crew cab, 6.7 Cummins
            2007 M-3705 SLC weekend warrior, 5th wheel
            '04 Polaris Sportsman 700 -- '05 Polaris Sportsman 500 HO
            Heavy Equipment Repair and Specialty Welding

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              #7
              Landin, the area within the valve cover is somewhat pressurized from the crankcase (piston ring blow by). Some of that oil that is being thrown about the valve train, as well as the oil in the case, is atomized and exits that area via the breather tube you describe. This process is normal, and in fact the crankcase pressure must be relieved or other, bigger problems will result. The oil leak you describe is most likely a result of a poor seal between the valve cover grommet and the tube but it can be exacerbated by a restricted breather tube. Thus I'd verify there is no blockage of the tube, within the tube or at its terminas, which is usually at/near the air filter.

              Regarding the oil pressure- I seriously doubt that is an issue at all. Most engines will operate perfectly fine from 10-80 psi. If you are concerned about high oil pressure first thing I'd do is verify the accuracy of your OEM gauge and sending system by temporarily installing a direct pressure gauge.
              Jim Gandee
              1989 3888
              Hino 175's
              Fire Escape
              [email protected]
              Alamitos Bay, SoCal

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                #8
                The problem can also be as simple as an old rubber grommet that is dried out and brittle. They don't seal when they get old.
                1988 Capri Cuddy 1950 OMC 5.7

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                  #9
                  T in a manual gauge and leave it there.
                  Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

                  1994 2452, 5.0l, Alpha gen. 2 drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                  '86 / 19' Citation cuddy, Merc. 3.0L / 140 hp 86' , stringer drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                  Manalapan N.J

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                    #10
                    "Landin" post=820717 wrote:
                    Hi Dave...(as always, thanks for your input) I'm heading out for a weekend trip later today and will confirm the RPM vs. Oil pressure.

                    Another strange thing I noticed was my cruising speed... at approx 2800 - 3000 rpms I'm getting about 10 nm/hr... does that speed seem incredibly slow to you? I'm running a 357 with a brand new leg... 1 month ago, I painted the hull and cleaned the prop and leg and slapped on a fresh coat of paint on the out drive... I keep reading our boays r heavy... but does that speed not seem very low to you?

                    Cheers!
                    Sorry for the late reply, was out for a weekend boat trip to hood canal area.

                    Cruising at anything under 3000-3300 RPM is most likely burdening the engine pretty good, I'm running at 3300-3600 RPM Doing 22-27 MPH (SOG- via GPS)

                    What's your drive ratio?

                    EDIT: I see you have the Alpha 1.47:1......not sure where it should be in relation to my Bravo 2:1 but think you should be cruising at 20 MPH minimum.

                    I think Your oil pressure is good, where's it at when idling?
                    Dave
                    Edmonds, WA
                    "THE FIX"
                    '93 2556
                    Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

                    The rebuild of my 2556 https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...76?view=thread
                    Misc. projects thread
                    https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...56-gctid789773

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                      #11
                      UPDATE: After talking with the mechanic who installed the engine.. an open throttle test was never done : / ....

                      The prop on the boat is a 15" P15... The mechanic recommended I first install a hydrofoil and see if that help improve my limited RPM & Speed..Then second, find a prop with a 14 or 13 pitch...

                      I image the oil leak from the grommet is from the engine having to work really hard due to the restriction of the prop...?

                      My oil pressure at ldle is approx. 65 PSI.

                      My max RPM right now is 4200 with a max speed of 12-13 MPH (SOG via GPS). I have new ele trim tabs... and get up on plain quick.

                      Perhaps this warrants a new thread with a topic of restricted speed?

                      Dave, those are some nice speeds your hitting! Fingers crossed i figure this out soon!
                      BOAT: 1991 - Bayliner 2556 Ciera Flybridge
                      ENGINE: 357 Alpha 4V (275HP)
                      OUTDRIVE: Alpha Gen 1
                      RATIO: (to be updated)
                      PROP: 15 1/2" X 15P
                      NAME: "Knotty Oar"

                      Marine Search and Rescue Crew - http://rcmsar.com/rescue-stations/southern-region/north-vancouver/

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                        #12
                        Your oil pressure looks great, the gauge may be showing a bit high but could also be reading correctly, your engine is new you can remove the sender and temporarily thread in a mechanical gauge to verify or do as chief suggested and T in a small mechanical gauge and leave it there for piece of mind.

                        IMO Your boat should easily cruise somewhere around 20 mph, I wonder if the drive ratio is correct for your set up. Maybe a good idea to start another thread on the Alpha drive ratio and prop pitch questions as I don't know what that combo should be

                        BTW my valve cover grommets weep a bit of oil also, the oil runs horizontally across the top of the valve cover in those grooves to the aft end and down the back side of the engine block eventually making small oil spots in the bilge :angry:
                        Dave
                        Edmonds, WA
                        "THE FIX"
                        '93 2556
                        Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

                        The rebuild of my 2556 https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...76?view=thread
                        Misc. projects thread
                        https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...56-gctid789773

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