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    I looked around all day for a 9 tooth, gear reduction SBC starter. That is what I removed from one of my engines.

    After spending about 45 minutes on line I found 1, one listing stating the 11 tooth starter replaces the 9 tooth.

    Is this valid? It is Go 2 Marine starting this.

    http://www.go2marine.com/product/247...t-10099hd.html
    Phil, Vicky, Ashleigh & Sydney
    1998 3055 Ciera
    (yes, a 1998)
    Previous boat: 1993 3055
    Dream boat: 70' Azimut or Astondoa 72
    Sea Doo XP
    Sea Doo GTI SE
    Life is short. Boats are cool.
    The family that plays together stays together.
    Vice Commodore: Bellevue Yacht Club

    #2
    i belive DB's site states the same thing. Has to do with how the manufacturer builds the starter, different type of nose cone etc.
    Dave
    Edmonds, WA
    "THE FIX"
    '93 2556
    Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

    The rebuild of my 2556 https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...76?view=thread
    Misc. projects thread
    https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...56-gctid789773

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      #3
      Pay no attention to the pinion gear tooth count!

      The important aspect will be the "straight across" bolt pattern versus the "staggered" bolt pattern , and this will be specific to the amount of teeth on the flywheel ring gear .

      .
      Rick E. Gresham, Oregon
      2850 Bounty Sedan Flybridge model
      Twin 280 HP 5.7's w/ Closed Cooling
      Volvo Penta DuoProp Drives
      Kohler 4 CZ Gen Set

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        #4
        I love LOOOOVE !!! My BENDIX drive starters. Hehehe :evil:
        1989 Avanti 3450 Sunbridge
        twin 454's
        MV Mar-Y-Sol
        1979 Bayliner Conquest 3150 hardtop ocean express.
        Twin chevy 350's inboard
        Ben- Jamin
        spokane Washington

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          #5
          "yachtman" post=816060 wrote:
          I love LOOOOVE !!! My BENDIX drive starters. Hehehe :evil:
          Is that the one with the sheer pin?

          If so you have no idea how much i HATE them. Got to where i could remove the starter,replace the pin,replace starter in under 20 minutes:angry:
          Pat. Sandpoint Ida
          I NEED ANOTHER BOAT!!

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            #6
            "yachtman" post=816060 wrote:
            I love LOOOOVE !!! My BENDIX drive starters. Hehehe :evil:
            [color]blue wrote:
            Photo taken just minutes after Dave posted that comment![/color]

            [attachment]38693 wrote:
            Dave loves his bendix.jpg[/attachment]


            Attached files

            Rick E. Gresham, Oregon
            2850 Bounty Sedan Flybridge model
            Twin 280 HP 5.7's w/ Closed Cooling
            Volvo Penta DuoProp Drives
            Kohler 4 CZ Gen Set

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              #7
              Just so you all know that's kind of a inside joke between Rick and I.

              Bendix drives are not that great. I think if I had a crank handle on the front of the engine I could turn it faster.

              I guess I'm just kind of a purest I choose to leave my bendix drives the way they are but not the best design. Just don't let your battery get too low or it won't crank fast enough to start.
              1989 Avanti 3450 Sunbridge
              twin 454's
              MV Mar-Y-Sol
              1979 Bayliner Conquest 3150 hardtop ocean express.
              Twin chevy 350's inboard
              Ben- Jamin
              spokane Washington

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                #8
                Phil, so turned out to be the starter?

                You didn't call bro...
                Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
                Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
                93 3058 sold
                92 2855 (day boat)
                91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
                Longbranch WA
                Life is Good

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                  #9
                  "itsabowtime2" post=816024 wrote:
                  I looked around all day for a 9 tooth, gear reduction SBC starter. That is what I removed from one of my engines. After spending about 45 minutes on line I found 1, one listing stating the 11 tooth starter replaces the 9 tooth.

                  Is this valid? It is Go 2 Marine starting this.

                  http://www.go2marine.com/product/247...t-10099hd.html
                  [color]blue wrote:
                  Phil, the Go 2 Marine link shows this:[/color]

                  [color]purple wrote:
                  $178.00

                  High Torque Gear Reduction Starter, Mercruiser, Volvo Penta, Marine Power, 12 volt, 10099HD replaces 10050, 10095 and others. Heavy Duty for better performance.

                  ÔÇóFits late model Mercruiser, Volvo Penta, Marine Power and others

                  ÔÇóStaggered bolt pattern

                  ÔÇóHigh torque gear reduction

                  ÔÇóReplaces Delco# 9000884

                  ÔÇóReplaces Volvo Penta# 3860566

                  ÔÇóReplaces OMC# 3860566

                  ÔÇóReplaces Mercruiser# 50-863007A1

                  ÔÇó12 Volt, 11 Tooth CW rotation

                  ÔÇóThis starter will replace 9-tooth starters

                  ÔÇóUsed on late model 3.0L engines with a 14" flywheel [/color]

                  http://www.go2marine.com/docs/9/2/7/9/92794F-p.jpg

                  [color]blue wrote:
                  Your 1998 boat is likely GM V-8 powered, and is likely Mercruiser w/ a Std LH Rotation Engine........... correct?

                  If so, you will want a HTGR/PMGR starter motor with the "staggered" bolt pattern nose housing (i.e., for the 168 tooth flywheel ring gear), and in the CW rotation for the Standard LH Rotation engine.

                  Be sure to get the correct length mounting bolts for the new starter motor. [/color]

                  [attachment]38735 wrote:
                  starter motor CW vs CCW direction explained.jpg[/attachment]

                  [attachment]38736 wrote:
                  Starter motor bolt lengths explained.jpg[/attachment]


                  Attached files

                  Rick E. Gresham, Oregon
                  2850 Bounty Sedan Flybridge model
                  Twin 280 HP 5.7's w/ Closed Cooling
                  Volvo Penta DuoProp Drives
                  Kohler 4 CZ Gen Set

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                    #10
                    "Ruffryder" post=816076 wrote:
                    Phil, so turned out to be the starter?

                    You didn't call bro...
                    Will find out today.

                    I have power at the ignition, power at the starter, power at the solenoid and the starter bench tested poorly.

                    The only starter that matches up in diagrams is a Sierra 18-6275. Merc. 50863007A-1

                    It is defiantly a gear reduction starter, staggered bolt pattern starter with 9 teeth. If it is original equipment I don't know as I am the second owner and have had the boat for 4 years. This is the starboard engine (looking bow to stern).

                    What is interesting is if you look up the specifications for the Merc part number there is no mention of CR: https://www.wholesalemarine.com/merc...863007a-1.html

                    Go 2 was the first site I found that specifically stated to use the 11 tooth in place of the 9 tooth.

                    I never would have thought that replacing a starter on a SBC from the late 90's would be so challenging. On some listings it states the 18-6275 is the recommended replacement for the 3.0 but is also for all SBC with 14" flywheel.

                    Best I can tell recall my engines are standard rotation..
                    Phil, Vicky, Ashleigh & Sydney
                    1998 3055 Ciera
                    (yes, a 1998)
                    Previous boat: 1993 3055
                    Dream boat: 70' Azimut or Astondoa 72
                    Sea Doo XP
                    Sea Doo GTI SE
                    Life is short. Boats are cool.
                    The family that plays together stays together.
                    Vice Commodore: Bellevue Yacht Club

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                      #11
                      Based upon WM and Wholesale Marine look up based upon my engine serial numbers this is the starter:



                      Here is a photo of what I removed:

                      [attachment=38826]IMG_6950[1].JPG[/attachment]

                      The mounting alone is incorrect along with the cone.


                      Attached files

                      Phil, Vicky, Ashleigh & Sydney
                      1998 3055 Ciera
                      (yes, a 1998)
                      Previous boat: 1993 3055
                      Dream boat: 70' Azimut or Astondoa 72
                      Sea Doo XP
                      Sea Doo GTI SE
                      Life is short. Boats are cool.
                      The family that plays together stays together.
                      Vice Commodore: Bellevue Yacht Club

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                        #12
                        Had a very similar experience looking up my then 94 5.0l starter.

                        Turned out the starter was good.
                        Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

                        1994 2452, 5.0l, Alpha gen. 2 drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                        '86 / 19' Citation cuddy, Merc. 3.0L / 140 hp 86' , stringer drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                        Manalapan N.J

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                          #13
                          This starter is the one I bought, yours will be the same, works great but no steel gears.
                          Dave
                          Edmonds, WA
                          "THE FIX"
                          '93 2556
                          Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

                          The rebuild of my 2556 https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...76?view=thread
                          Misc. projects thread
                          https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...56-gctid789773

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                            #14
                            Based upon looking up that part by year, engine size it is this:



                            https://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-6rtev...0.1280.jpg?c=2

                            The difference between mine and this is the cone opening is smaller on this one. Overall cone size is the same, the opening for the gear is smaller. Beyond frustrating.

                            I may end up just getting the one I pulled off rebuilt.
                            Phil, Vicky, Ashleigh & Sydney
                            1998 3055 Ciera
                            (yes, a 1998)
                            Previous boat: 1993 3055
                            Dream boat: 70' Azimut or Astondoa 72
                            Sea Doo XP
                            Sea Doo GTI SE
                            Life is short. Boats are cool.
                            The family that plays together stays together.
                            Vice Commodore: Bellevue Yacht Club

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                              #15
                              You didn't see the link :huh: This one.

                              Good starter for lots less than most places.

                              https://www.dbelectrical.com/product...placement-list
                              Dave
                              Edmonds, WA
                              "THE FIX"
                              '93 2556
                              Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

                              The rebuild of my 2556 https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...76?view=thread
                              Misc. projects thread
                              https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/f...56-gctid789773

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