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    Budget radar that(39)s good enough?-gctid812170

    So, my 1989 Bayliner 3818 has an older green-screen Furuno radar, which seemed to work pretty well given it's age. However, it seems to have gone belly-up. A couple months ago, I powered it up and then it powered itself down after a few mins and wouldn't come back on until the next day. It did the same thing this weekend, but wouldn't power back on at all this time. (I'll do the obvious, and check power to it, if there's a fuse inline, etc.) That said, it's probably time to think about replacing it.

    So...I generally do not venture offshore (we spend most of our time in the AICW and Cape Fear River in the Wilmington NC area), and although I usually have the radar on along with the GPS chartplotter and forward-looking sonar, the only time I can recall that I truly felt like I *needed* the radar was a weekend last year where we unintentionally got caught returning to our home port down the AICW at night. It was a very dark night (no moon lighting our way), and at that time I was quite happy to have working radar since it showed me the land masses clearly on either side of the boat (very narrow channel and it set to 0.25NM range). So, I probably don't need something all that advanced or expensive...I'm thinking just a basic radar package, preferably with it's own dedicated display (unless there are some big advantages to other arrangements...I have a Garmin EchoMap 94sv GPS chartplotter, it does NOT have the Garmin radar input, but IIRC it does have a NMEA input).

    I'm not all that knowledgeable about marine radar (the 28 year old Furuno is the only radar I've used up to this point). This Furuno Model 1623 package (15" radome and 6" stand-alone display) seems to be the closest thing to the old system, although I'd guess probably better since it's not 28 years old...LOL. Here's the Furuno 1623...seems to be available for around $1300 street price:

    http://www.furunousa.com/products/pr...ars+%3a+Radars

    What other brands/models should I be taking a look at for comparison? I'm looking for same or lower price, and same or better features, and good enough for light use like I described above. (If I'm not mistaken, none of the Garmin units have a stand-alone display and all expect to plug into a Garmin Multi-Function Display...that was the first brand I looked at since I'm most familiar with Garmin GPS Chartplotters.) However, I'm wondering if there might be other brands that can plug into the Garmin EchoMap 94dv's NMEA input...although I *think* I'd prefer just to have a separate display for the radar.

    Thanks in advance!

    Dave

    #2
    This Si-tex T-760 seems to be comparable in price and has a more output power and functionality versus the Furuno 1623 and/or Furuno 1715. Anyone familiar with these? Crap or impressive for the price?

    https://www.si-tex.com/item/t760seri...reencolorradar

    Thx,

    Dave

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      #3
      Another one in the $1000-1500 price range...looks just like the Si-Tex, so maybe a re-branding thing: JRC JMA-1032

      http://www.wmjmarine.com/jma1032.html

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        #4
        All of the ones you've highlighted are good replacements and will work the same as your existing unit.

        I have to say I am a fan of the newer 3G/4G radar units. They use a fraction of the power, don't pose the health risk like the high power units and tend to be easier to tune.

        You could pick up a Refurbished Lowrance HDS-7: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Recon...er/1155238.uts

        Add in the radar: https://www.thegpsstore.com/Lowrance...-3G-Radar.aspx

        That way, you'd have your radar, plus a backup GPS as well for roughly the same price.
        Terry
        1999 Bayliner 3388
        Twin Cummins 4BTA
        Fisherman, Cruiser, Boaticus-enthusiasticus-maximus
        Member Royal Victoria Yacht Club

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          #5
          "TenMile" post=812219 wrote:
          All of the ones you've highlighted are good replacements and will work the same as your existing unit.

          I have to say I am a fan of the newer 3G/4G radar units. They use a fraction of the power, don't pose the health risk like the high power units and tend to be easier to tune.

          You could pick up a Refurbished Lowrance HDS-7: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Recon...er/1155238.uts

          Add in the radar: https://www.thegpsstore.com/Lowrance...-3G-Radar.aspx

          That way, you'd have your radar, plus a backup GPS as well for roughly the same price.
          +1

          It looks like Cabela's is sold out of the reman Lowrance units. A better deal may be to get this package from Defender.com for $1,599: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?...736&id=3789257. The B&G Zeus Touch2 is the same unit as the Simrad NSS Evo2, except that it has some additional sailing apps installed. It is a higher end unit than the Lowrance HDS-7.
          1999 3788, Cummins 270 "Freedom"
          2013 Boston Whaler 130 SS
          Anacortes, WA
          Isla Verde, PR

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            #6

            It looks like Cabela's is sold out of the reman Lowrance units. A better deal may be to get this package from Defender.com for $1,599: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?...736&id=3789257. The B&G Zeus Touch2 is the same unit as the Simrad NSS Evo2, except that it has some additional sailing apps installed. It is a higher end unit than the Lowrance HDS-7.
            Wow, this looks like a good find...solid state radar with much better close-range detection (useful)...and it draws much less power, AND the radome is much lighter, AND the signal transmission is 1/10,000 the signal power of a cel-phone penetrating your brain, AND there's no 3 minute warmup. Hmmm...

            Thanks NortonRider!

            Dave

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              #7
              Quick question: My Garmin EchoMap 94sv has a NMEA 0183 input port. Is there any radar that can plug up to that port and use the 94sv as it's display? Garmin's radars will not (they require the dedicated Garmin radar input port, like on the GPSMap 941/942), but there might be others that will...maybe? The NMEA 0183 looks to be essentially a spec based around RS232 serial communication of devices...so I don't know if the data rate is supports would allow a radar to output to NMEA 0183 or a display to receive on NMEA 0183 ports.

              TIA,

              Dave

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                #8
                "davesisk" post=812289 wrote:
                Quick question: My Garmin EchoMap 94sv has a NMEA 0183 input port. Is there any radar that can plug up to that port and use the 94sv as it's display? Garmin's radars will not (they require the dedicated Garmin radar input port, like on the GPSMap 941/942), but there might be others that will...maybe? The NMEA 0183 looks to be essentially a spec based around RS232 serial communication of devices...so I don't know if the data rate is supports would allow a radar to output to NMEA 0183 or a display to receive on NMEA 0183 ports.

                TIA,

                Dave
                Neither NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 will support radar. Radars communicate over proprietary Ethernet.
                1999 3788, Cummins 270 "Freedom"
                2013 Boston Whaler 130 SS
                Anacortes, WA
                Isla Verde, PR

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                  #9
                  "Norton Rider" post=812293 wrote:


                  Neither NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 will support radar. Radars communicate over proprietary Ethernet.
                  Got it...thank you.

                  Dave

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                    #10
                    Yep, great find. B&G, Simrad and Lowrance are all the same family but B&G are the high end.

                    You can network your Garmin and this unit together -- I believe they can send alarms to one another (for example one can tell the other that a target has entered a safety zone), but unfortunately the radar data is proprietary.
                    Terry
                    1999 Bayliner 3388
                    Twin Cummins 4BTA
                    Fisherman, Cruiser, Boaticus-enthusiasticus-maximus
                    Member Royal Victoria Yacht Club

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                      #11
                      I used to have a Furuno 1623 linked to my Garmin GPS on my last sailboat. Worked very well.
                      CapMartin, Montreal QC
                      "Belle de Dalhousie"
                      1986 3270 SOLD
                      Volvo BB225B

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                        #12
                        Just saw a Furuno 1623 on amazon for $1295.
                        Just love being on my 3870............Bill
                        1985 3870
                        Twin 130 Mits. not turbo charged
                        Name of boat is "Plenty Of Fish"
                        Live on board full time.
                        North Myrtle Beach, SC

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                          #13
                          "CapMartin" post=812322 wrote:
                          I used to have a Furuno 1623 linked to my Garmin GPS on my last sailboat. Worked very well.
                          Linked as in what functionality?

                          TIA,

                          Dave

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                            #14
                            I had a 1623 linked to my plotter years ago. The only thing it added was a bearing line on the radar.
                            Jim McNeely
                            New Hope a 2004 Bayliner 305 Sunbridge Express Cruiser
                            Twin 5.7s with Bravo2 drives
                            Brighton, Michigan USA
                            MMSI # 367393410

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                              #15
                              Still studying/reading/etc these choices. That find NortonRider posted at Defender sure seems to be a darned good one...a new B&G (Navico same as Simrad and Lowrance) solid-state 3G Radome + a remanufactured B&G 7" Multi-function Display (which has a GPS chartplotter built-in, plus other functionality) for $1600. The new Radome without a display is $1500, so the refurbed MFD is only $100, versus a stand-alone Si-Tex T-760 (traditional magnetron tube-based pulse radar) for $1500 or Furuno stand-alone 1715 (also pulse radar) for $1500. The only thing I've found notably cheaper is the stand-alone Furuno 1623 (also pulse radar) with the 6" display at $1300.

                              So, is $1600 (a $300 difference over the least expensive) worth gaining a radar that can *see well* in the near-field around the boat (but has a little less max range) plus a display that will function as a backup chartplotter plus some if I needed it to do so? For how we roll in my 38xx, I'm strongly leaning toward "yes!".

                              I have to consider that even if I'm able to get the old 1989 Furuno radar to power-up this weekend, it's probably going to continue to be temperamental going forward (it has shut-off twice when I reduced the range, which I'll bet spins the antenna inside the radome faster)...it might not be cooperating in a case where we actually need it (like unexpectedly traveling after sunset). And "yes", I've almost talked myself into it. :P

                              Dave

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