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[Roddy]

Looks like this guy is on to something... Not exactly a marine application.

Its too technical for me to evaluate, but maybe some of you have expertise in this area..

Video is not the greatest production but the technical aspects are worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RjDDdcSRrI&feature=player_embedd

Rod

[SomeSailor]

He's reinvented the Brown's Gas generator.

Energy in is still greater than energy out. He's paying to make the hydrogen with his battery... that in turn has to be recharged and puts a load back on the motor. I do think a person could use a solar panel array to convert the HHO, but it takes a lot of panel and a lot of sun to get that 10A he's using.

[Guest]

It looks like it is not a 100% system - seems to supply about 20% hydrogen to help raise existing fuel mileage. Still needs gas.

Wonder what the erosion rate is on the plates. If it is rapid, and each plate is (guessing) $50 x 26 plates, there goes the savings!

Interesting though - some day this technology may pan out - or he will "disappear" at the hands of some "oil company friend":greedy_dollars:

This might have marine applications - would help with fuel costs for the year

[Guest]

Neat stuff ......

[SomeSailor]

IF it worked... You'd be better off just going down to the local welding supply and buy / rent a bottle of hydrogen and mix it into the gas. They can make it cheaper than you can. You still get the efficiency.

[Guest]

spoil sport

[Guest]

"IF it worked... You'd be better off just going down to the local welding supply and buy / rent a bottle of hydrogen and mix it into the gas. They can make it cheaper than you can. You still get the efficiency. "

Plus you get a chance to blow yourself up while playing with hydrogen ... I'm glad to see people trying to find a viable alterative to oil as it is limited......

[SomeSailor]

Abigayle III wrote:
Plus you get a chance to blow yourself up while playing with hydrogen.

What makes hydrogen dangerous? Oh yeah... oxygen. What do you think HHO is?

Abigayle III wrote:
... I'm glad to see people trying to find a viable alterative to oil as it is limited......

Me too... but there's no such thing as a free lunch. If a Browns Gas generator uses 20A... and an alternator provides that 20A... and the alternator is driven by a gas engine. Where is the alternative in that?

Hydrogen is a valid fuel source... but not if you're burning 350 cubic inches of gas engine to get it.

[ksanders]

SomeSailor wrote:
What makes hydrogen dangerous? Oh yeah... oxygen. What do you think HHO is?

Me too... but there's no such thing as a free lunch. If a Browns Gas generator uses 20A... and an alternator provides that 20A... and the alternator is driven by a gas engine. Where is the alternative in that?

Hydrogen is a valid fuel source... but not if you're burning 350 cubic inches of gas engine to get it.

Thats the problem with electric cars.

People think they're being "green" by using an electric car.

They don't think about the coal fired power plants that still generate much of our electricity.

[SomeSailor]

ksanders wrote:
Thats the problem with electric cars.

People think they're being "green" by using an electric car.

They don't think about the coal fired power plants that still generate much of our electricity.

I've seen statistics that prove over the lifecycle of both vehicles... an H2 Hummer consumes less energy and damages the ecosystem less than a Prius (when you figure in environmental impact on manufacturing and disposing of the batteries)

It makes people feel better though...

[ksanders]

SomeSailor wrote:
I've seen statistics that prove over the lifecycle of both vehicles... an H2 Hummer consumes less energy and damages the ecosystem less than a Prius (when you figure in environmental impact on manufacturing and disposing of the batteries)

It makes people feel better though...

I guess I'll keep our old excursion then.

I actually had a guy I worked with tell me once that our Excursion was harming the enviroment and I should junk it to save earth.

I told him I owned it to hedge my bet against guys with small cars.

When he asked me to clairify, I explained to him that if we get into a major wreck with a smaller car, my family will probably walk away, while the smaller car family might get hurt, or even killed.

That really upset him that I would think like that. Mass wins.

[Guest]

I install hydrogen fuel cells in homes and small businesses in Calfornia. It works.We extract the hydrogen from natural gas which is mostly hydrogen.Very cheap electricity

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[Guest]

SomeSailor wrote:
I've seen statistics that prove over the lifecycle of both vehicles... an H2 Hummer consumes less energy and damages the ecosystem less than a Prius (when you figure in environmental impact on manufacturing and disposing of the batteries)

It makes people feel better though...

That is a fable started by lobbyist. It is not true. Many people believe what they want to believe though. Especially if they drive gas guzzlers.

[SomeSailor]

trophyboat wrote:
I install hydrogen fuel cells in homes and small businesses in Calfornia. It works.

We extract the hydrogen from natural gas which is mostly hydrogen.

Very cheap electricity

But still a hydrocarbon. Not free energy from water. It too is a finite resource.

[SomeSailor]

trophyboat wrote:
That is a fable started by lobbyist. It is not true. Many people believe what they want to believe though. Especially if they drive gas guzzlers.

Not at all. Where do we get all that lithium for these electric vehicles? And what does it cost in terms of energy and abatement to dispose of them (or recycle them)? And then to replace them?

The irony is that a small gas engine vehicle can get 40+ mpg on internal combustion and the vehicle cost is next nothing when compared to a similar electric vehicle and run along forever.

Hydrogen fuel cells are the way of the future for electric vehicles, but there's a cost associated with making that jump.