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    paid for indoor heated storage and winterizing neither was done-gctid374687

    so i picked up the boat and seen about a 1/2 gallon of water in the bilge and i new it was dry when i turned it over to the storage folks

    the storage folks were also paid for indoor heated storage and to winterize my boat , lower unit and ac system. i did the water systems myself.

    so i didnt feel right so i took it to another shop to be looked at

    they ran the boat and found my manifolds cracked.. they stated no water in the oil so block an heads should be fine

    do i have to worry about the heads/block or did i luck out there.. also trim rams are binding for some reason

    so i told this shop go and replaced the manifolds and rams and let me know when its ready

    of course im not sure of any damage to the ac/heat system what all should i look for on this system.

    now i have to fight the storage guy which wont return my calls so now its legal up time but i feel im going to get screwed big time.

    Well it looks like i got lucky this time around . Shop replaced the crack manifolds. , no cracks in the block no water oil mix and no knocking . shop rant he boat for 30 mins -ok but still cost 1980.00 to replace manifolds. oil an filter an gear oil service

    #2
    That is not good at all. Did you document any of this with pictures and showing them first hand this isn't acceptable?

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      #3
      russ60477 wrote:
      but i feel im going to get screwed big time.
      'Bout all you can do is document things (get written statement from your guy as to what he found) and take pics.

      I feel your pain. :sorrow:

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        #4
        Wow sorry to hear this. Thats reason I never trust anyone to winterize my boat, I would worry to death thinking about all the things that someone would not check as I would have.

        Previous winter season I was storing my boat in the "heated" indoor storage as well. When I showed up one day to install AC system during mid winter, I discovered bilge water frozen. Good thing I drained the engine and flushed all plumbing with RV antifreeze.

        When inquired with the owner he pointed me to a thermometer that was installed by the front of the warehouse next to one of those natural gas garage heaters. Naturally it was warmer there, but no heaters elsewhere in 80000 sf metal building that's basically a giant shed with no insulation. All boats in the back half of the building where exposed to sub freezing temperatures. I stopped paying premium for heated storage and instead properly winterize to avoid nasty surprises.

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          #5
          Heated storage should have prevented exhaust manifold freeze damage, but I don't see where temperatures would have affected your trim cylinders. This may be a separate issue.

          I agree that you're going to need documentation listing what the storage facility had proposed to do for you. If it listed heated storage, then that's what you should have expected. I'd think that heated storage means being kept above freezing temperatures.

          Perhaps a tad bit late on this, but before you proceeded with any repairs, I believe that you should have had a certified shop access the damage, and document it.

          Then I believe that this should have been presented to the storage facility prior to any work being done.

          This way you'd have kept the storage facility people in the loop.

          Just my opinion on that!

          .
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            #6
            Contact your insurance company. They usually will pay if you had it professionally winterized and it failed. If you do it yourself, usually not.

            Your insurance will go after the storage company.

            Easiest way for you.

            If the manifolds cracked, usually the block is also. Check carefully, it may not be in the oil but could go the other way.

            And I agree its a good reason to do it yourself to be sure its done and done correctly. If you do, just be sure YOU know how to do it correctly. Follow the instructions found in a service manual for your setup. Don't take shortcuts or advise from others. The manual. It will keep you out of trouble.

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              #7
              This doesn't help now, but Bounty2850 is right -- you generally have to have give the defendant a chance to mitigate the damages (repair the boat) first. It's a pretty reasonable legal principle -- imagine if somebody thought they had a claim against you (reasonable or not) for say damaging a car. They take it to a body shop of their choosing, incur a big repair bill, and then haul you into court for the cost of their chosen repair, and you don't find out about it until you get the summons and complaint for the full repair bill.

              But again, water under the bridge now. I sure understand the concerns in this thread. To be honest I don't trust my marina either to do winterizations, but it's the first winter for me so maybe I'm just paranoid. Maybe they're fine, but I had frozen water in the bilge too. Launch is in five days so we'll find out if everything runs well. It ran well coming out, so I expect it to run well going in, and they do all the work on both ends.

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                #8
                No one touch's any of my stuff. I get a manual and do it myself.
                Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

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                  #9
                  kthoennes wrote:
                  This doesn't help now, but Bounty2850 is right -- you generally have to have give the defendant a chance to mitigate the damages (repair the boat) first. It's a pretty reasonable legal principle --
                  Yes, that is true, it doesn't help now!

                  I had an issue with a customer years ago. Sold a fresh engine to him. He ran it for 5-6 hours on the garden hose prior to loading it while actually running it in the water under actual running load conditions.

                  His piston rings failed to seat properly.

                  He was also told by me that he was currently way over-propped.

                  Instead of giving me the oportunity to tear it down and assess the damage and/or the cause (of which at first he did not tell about the 5-6 hours)..., he took it to another shop.

                  End of story.

                  .
                  Rick E. Gresham, Oregon
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                    #10
                    Well i paid him a surprised visit and he stated no way i let him see the pics

                    he did say he would like the boat to make it right. i let him know i no longer have trust in him

                    and told him where the boat was at and he had the right to look at it. i did tell him he would

                    get all the parts back. .. he stated he would take care of the bill just bring it to him and he

                    will cut me a check.. we will see. and yes i know go to his bank with the check.

                    i did tell him that i want to make this a easy as we can and not make it a war.

                    he did seem like he was truly sorry and stated he trusted one of his workers to do

                    the winterizing to the boat and that backfired

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                      #11
                      I would ask them for some type of proof the work was done, such as an internal work order.
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                        #12
                        Russ really sorry to hear your dilema, trusting people there will always be a letdown somewhere along the way , sucks it had to be your boat, Good luck with getting compensated for this mess, sounds like your storage guy make have gotten burned on his own misplaced trust. btw im in Lockport/Homer glen area , where did you store your boat , also where do you moor at ? Im in Portage ,IN at Marina Shores.

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                          #13
                          Wow. That is horrible.

                          I agree with dmcb though ... if the manifolds are cracked, the block is cracked too.

                          Just because there is no water in the oil does not conclusively mean that the block isn't cracked. It hasn't been run yet, I'm sure.

                          I'd say you are in new engine territory ... and of course, whatever other systems were not winterized are likely damaged as well.
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                            #14
                            What a cluster, solution is spelled Lawyer.

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                              #15
                              trode wrote:
                              What a cluster, solution is spelled Lawyer.
                              +1

                              I would involve a lawyer to look things over in case the other guy tries to squirm out of his verbal, but not legally binding, comitment.

                              Unform Commercial Code says "If the "contract" was for over $500, takes more than a year to accomplish, or is for real estate, it MUST be in writing.

                              I would also have the block and heades tested or not settle the case untill after a couple of cruising speed runs.
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