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[Guest]

Hi All Marty from New Zealand here looking for some advice but will paint the picture first.

I have been negotiating on a 89 Bayliner 3486 command bridge however the current owner is acting strangely. We actually won an auction ( eBay style) for the vessel subject to a survey - but he declined to accept the offer. The boat is priced quite low for NZ @ USD 60k and we have inspected visually and sea trialled the boat all seemS ok on face value.

Reading between the lines we suspect an osmosis problem, we contacted the local specialists who have est approx USD 20k for a full hull peel and repair with a 7 year warranty. We then requested another est for rebuilding the twin diesel Hino motors another USD 20k. So we are upto a total potential investment of USD 100k but would have an excellent vessel. BTW we love the layout

Finally my question while the hull appears quite dry inside I am a bit concerned about possible problems with the main stringers ( anecdotally a potential problem ) and how on earth these could be repaired , and what extra cost / access is not easy.

The owner is trying to get me unconditional so we are trying to get as many facts as possible before deciding if we should proceed. Any advice at all very welcome. Thanks Marty

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Marty Baker wrote:
Hi All Marty from New Zealand here looking for some advice but will paint the picture first.

I have been negotiating on a 89 Bayliner 3486 command bridge however the current owner is acting strangely. We actually won an auction ( eBay style) for the vessel subject to a survey - but he declined to accept the offer. The boat is priced quite low for NZ @ USD 60k and we have inspected visually and sea trialled the boat all seemS ok on face value.

Reading between the lines we suspect an osmosis problem, we contacted the local specialists who have est approx USD 20k for a full hull peel and repair with a 7 year warranty. We then requested another est for rebuilding the twin diesel Hino motors another USD 20k. So we are upto a total potential investment of USD 100k but would have an excellent vessel. BTW we love the layout

Finally my question while the hull appears quite dry inside I am a bit concerned about possible problems with the main stringers ( anecdotally a potential problem ) and how on earth these could be repaired , and what extra cost / access is not easy.

The owner is trying to get me unconditional so we are trying to get as many facts as possible before deciding if we should proceed. Any advice at all very welcome. Thanks Marty

Marty,

Bumping.

Did you take pictures of the hull. Why do you suspect osmosis?

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onthelake wrote:
Marty,

Bumping.

Did you take pictures of the hull. Why do you suspect osmosis?

Hi Glen

Thanks for taking time to reply.

No I havent been allowed to take it out of the water for a proper look but mostly it was the low price and secretive nature of the seller and his not allowing survey

I have since found out the vessel has been viewed by an Osmosis expert and quoted for major repairs

I will still try to buy the vessel once I have spoken to the expert who is back from holidays on Monday just need to know how much and when it needs to be done eg immediately or in the next 12 months or so.

All I wanted was an Ida if 3486 had any history of problems with the main stringers

Cheers Marty

[Guest]

Seller not allowing a survey??? I would run from this deal. There have got to be better boats available.

[Guest]

Marty,

If your willing to take the boat AS IS, then offer a price that gives you the room to fix whats needed and allow for the unknown.

If a seller is not willing to allow a survey, it's time to walk, but if he thinks your hung on the boat, he won't budge.

Offer to pay for the survey.

As 2859er states, there maybe better deals or not due to your location, however if your considering putting out $100k USD, then what can you get in your area for $120K USD that is in much better shape?

[Guest]

Thanks all

looks like back to searching the net - the seller got offended when i suggested meeting part way on hull repairs. Still wouldnt budge on the survey ( at my cost) very odd man hoping to find someone to shell out without any checks ...

I left it open for him to call but figure he would be too embarrassed

Thanks again for opinions and advice

[smitty477]

Hello Marty,

Although the 3486 is one of our favorite hull lines it was only produced for 2 years in limited quantities and that was 20+ years ago. A number of them on the east coast here were fished hard and we now of at least 2 that were lost entirely. Additionally - there were a number of them powered with gas from the factory along with the diesel option.

The message I am trying to convey is that there are very few good examples of these out there even though we like the boat overall.

Perhaps you can search for more then one model that would suit your end use and that would increase your odds for success.

Hope this helps

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smitty477 wrote:
Hello Marty,

Although the 3486 is one of our favorite hull lines it was only produced for 2 years in limited quantities and that was 20+ years ago. A number of them on the east coast here were fished hard and we now of at least 2 that were lost entirely. Additionally - there were a number of them powered with gas from the factory along with the diesel option.

The message I am trying to convey is that there are very few good examples of these out there even though we like the boat overall.

Perhaps you can search for more then one model that would suit your end use and that would increase your odds for success.

Hope this helps

Thanks Smitty

Yes I have expanded my search I really like the layout, twin stateroom and large cockpit combo, a couple of other models are similar 3288 is probably the logical optionbut I havent seen many on sale in my price range as yet.

Importing , shipping costs appear to be uneconomic.

[Rex Molloy]

Hi Marty, Rex here from New Zealand.

Your discussion is of great interest to me. I have just started looking for a Bayliner here and have been looking at the 3486 advertised in Trade Me. I am sure this is the same boat you have been looking at. (At Mt Wellington in a dry dock shed) I finally managed to contact the seller and guess what? I also got a bad feeling about it after talking to him for about 2 minutes. I picked he may be a bit shady without even meeting him. I was due to look at the boat tomorrow but after reading all your woes I think I will run a mile and leave it up to you. I really hope you can get yourself a decent sort of deal on the boat and get it fixed up good and you will be all set. I will probably continue to pursue the 3288 option. Shame really, as the extra couple of feet with the slightly better cockpit and flying bridge would have been great. Still the 3288 seems to be a well proven and much loved boat and there seems to be a couple of good ones out there, so I think I will manage just fine if I get one of those. All the best.

If you want to talk me Cell no is 021779964. Cheers, Rex.

[Jeffw]

Hi Rex, welcome to the BOC! Not trying to embarrass you, but this thread is over 6 years old...

[Rex Molloy]

Yes, but the boat is still out there and I very much appreciate being able to avoid the hassle of getting involved with it.

[infieldg]

Snap! I'm a fellow kiwi who also wondered if Marty was talking about this one back in 2012 too ;

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boa...1633057923.htm

Confirming that it's the same waka and knowing history could save a lot of pain - the fact that it's called "Murphy's Law" is a worry(!) but dry stacking should make a visual inspection pretty easy. Mind you if it's allergic to water that'd explain why it doesn't live in it.

I'm hoping to get the Sea Ray 370 in Picton to live out my days on and dive off - if it doesn't sell before I can get enough cash! - I just keep seeing this 3486 with twin 6cyl diesels and shafts which is a huge tick, and thinking the NZ$120k saving is real tempting... bit risky tho eh.