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    Stuck in Port Townsend

    I’m heading back to Victoria from Olympia in an old 3870 that I bought. I was hoping to get across the Juan de Fuca from Port Townsend today but I found the conditions windier than I was comfortable with so we moored here for the night.
    There was a small craft advisory issued for the strait, I’m just wondering if any members in the Peugeot Sound/Admiralty Inlet area have any opinions on how choppy the water was out there today. Would it have bothered you crossing the strait that day? That would be Monday, January 15. I don’t regret bailing on the crossing, we met an awesome boater here in the marina that actually offered to go across with us if we wanted and we’ll go out with him tomorrow to assess the conditions.

    #2
    This is the NOAA forecast for tomorrow:
    TUE S wind 15 to 25 kt. Wind waves 3 to 5 ft. SW swell 14 ft at 12 seconds becoming W 12 ft at 14 seconds in the afternoon. Showers. How concerning does that sound?

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      #3
      There's lots worse places to be stuck than Port Townsend - enjoy your stay. When you leave be very mindful of the Point Wilson rip. If you're not familiar with it, do your homework. You do not want to enter it on an ebb or worse on an ebb with a westerly wind. Everything else can be OK and the rip can still be like being in your mother's Maytag on an agitate cycle. Going north we always went through La Conner and Anacortes but we made the southbound trip from Victoria to Port Angeles many times. Constance Shoal is another watch point with a westerly wind - the waves can really pile up on the shoal. If it was me I'd probably split the trip into 2 days so I could time the Point Wilson rip and overnight in Port Angeles.
      R.J.(Bob) Evans
      Cierra 2755

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        #4
        Also watch the rip offTrial Island. It can get really nasty. Best to do Point Wilson at slack. We have had too many, “ wish I had waited at Point Wilson anf Trial Island.
        jim
        1988 3270 With 135 Hinos

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          #5
          Originally posted by BryGuy View Post
          This is the NOAA forecast for tomorrow:
          TUE S wind 15 to 25 kt. Wind waves 3 to 5 ft. SW swell 14 ft at 12 seconds becoming W 12 ft at 14 seconds in the afternoon. Showers. How concerning does that sound?
          You were looking at the wrong forecast. I can guarantee there was NO 14 ft swell on the Juan de Fuca between Port Townsend and Victoria!

          As for 3 to 5 ft, that is definitely a no-go. I wouldn't even cross on a 2 to 4.
          1995 Bayliner 2452 Mercruiser 5.7L Alpha 1 Gen 2

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            #6
            Originally posted by Wild_Blue_Yonder View Post
            Also watch the rip offTrial Island. It can get really nasty. Best to do Point Wilson at slack. We have had too many, “ wish I had waited at Point Wilson anf Trial Island.
            jim
            Where is the tide rip at Trial Island? I come through there between the San Juans and Victoria a few times a year and haven't noticed anything.
            1995 Bayliner 2452 Mercruiser 5.7L Alpha 1 Gen 2

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              #7
              I can tell you the straits are nothing to play with. Some of the worst boat water I've been in was there. Took green waves for 2 hours I was having fun but my wife was pissed. The victoria harbor master couldn't believe I was out it it.

              I had a friend that crossed it in his 3587 he said he thought they we all going to die and he was experienced.

              Having said that it's usually somewhat smooth in the mornings. Its not a place to be though when the weather is bad.

              Here is to hoping for a good crossing for you. Our crossing a couple summers ago. Doing about 28kts

              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g42WW4PQj8Y
              1989 Avanti 3450 Sunbridge
              twin 454's
              MV Mar-Y-Sol
              1979 Bayliner Conquest 3150 hardtop ocean express.
              Twin chevy 350's inboard
              Ben- Jamin
              spokane Washington

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                #8
                Bryguy, judging by the winds this morning (Tuesday) I’m guessing you may still be in PT. You may want to look at some of the sailboat sites http://www.sailflow.com/map#48.367,-122.973,10,1 and http://i90.atmos.washington.edu/ferr...mainframe1.htm to get an idea of conditions of your route. It may be that you can get into the protection of the San Juan’s and go a bit of the long way around via Sidney. A large tide will create some sections of rapids out there off of Pt. Wilson that, moving just a mile away you can be completely out of. We changed course once from heading to Cattle Pass and Friday Harbor to Skyline near Deception Pass because of the rough water, there was no appreciable wind. Point is, you can often get out of some rough water by moving over a bit.
                If you haven’t gone to the wooden boat shop near Port Hudson or the boat yard and junk shops at Boat Haven, you can take the bus from one to the other for cheap, and it stops at Safeway too if you need provisions.
                Hopefully this information arrived after your safe arrival in Victoria. It never is wrong to decide you don’t have to get there when the weather is snotty and I recommend an abundance of caution while learning how that boat handles a following sea. I had a surprise or two as I learned that my 38 didn’t handle similar to my 29 planing hull in a following sea. Yeah, ya think? One thing for sure, trim tabs up.
                P/C Pete
                Edmonds Yacht Club (Commodore 1993)
                1988 3818 "GLAUBEN
                Hino EH700 175 Onan MDKD Genset
                1980 Encounter Sunbridge "Misty Blue" (Sold)
                MMSI 367770440
                1972 Chevrolet Nova Frame off Resto-mod in the garage
                Boating on the Salish Sea since 1948

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                  #9
                  If you don't absolutely have to go to Victoria then follow Pete's advice. Cattle Pass and then Friday or Roche Harbor to Sidney. Much more sheltered trip. The Point Wilson rip is well contained. You could easily pass east of it and not even know its there.

                  As for any Trial Island rip I'll also be waiting for the coordinates on that one. I've been through there dozens of times and I've never seen anything to avoid. We always try to time the Sidney to Victoria leg for maximum ebb because we're cheap. If there was ever a rip at Trial Island I think we'd have seen it.
                  R.J.(Bob) Evans
                  Cierra 2755

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                    #10
                    Actually, I’d try to cross toward Deception Pass with a following sea, then over through Thatcher Pass. From there it’s easy peasy through Satellite Channel then rolly polly across Haro to Sidney. With the wind here in Mukilteo, just about due east of PT, I’d be enjoying the shops. Aldrich’s is up on the hill and a fun stop for coffee and something probably sinful.
                    P/C Pete
                    Edmonds Yacht Club (Commodore 1993)
                    1988 3818 "GLAUBEN
                    Hino EH700 175 Onan MDKD Genset
                    1980 Encounter Sunbridge "Misty Blue" (Sold)
                    MMSI 367770440
                    1972 Chevrolet Nova Frame off Resto-mod in the garage
                    Boating on the Salish Sea since 1948

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                      #11
                      Thanks for all the sound advice. As it turns out, as Pete hoped, I didn't get a chance to read it until I was safe in Victoria this evening. I met a great guy in the Port Townsend marina named Jim Adams and one of the things he shared with me this morning were some of the more useful apps he uses for up to date weather information. 'Windy' was one of them, and using it we discovered that while it was quite windy and rough all around Admiralty Inlet, the actual Strait of Juan de Fuca was only like 4kts of wind. So we set out around 12:30. It was really windy in that Marina and getting out of there was a bit of a gong show but I didn't run into anything and headed out for the strait. The journey almost went exactly as we planned. Water was quite rough until I got out of the inlet but then things smoothed out and I was all set to get on my straight arrow route for Victoria when I noticed I was coming up on a ship on the horizon. No big deal, but as I got closer I realized it was some sort of naval destroyer, must have been American. He was sitting smack dab in the middle of the course I was trying to hold. As I approached I kept him on my starboard but as I got closer the VHF radio crackled up some garble. I don't have much experience with the radio, most of the stuff I've heard come over it so far has been pretty irrelevant but I could hear the word 'warship' in this message so my ears perked up. A few seconds later the message repeated: 'Vessel blah blah blah at cooordinates blah blah blah on heading blah blah blah this is the US Warship blah blah blah continuously turning to port. Steer well clear of my vessel.'
                      What? Was this guy talking to me? Apparently he was and he seemed to be maneuvering constantly to keep broadside of me. I'm not really up on my radio protocol so I said something like 'Copy warship, this is pleasurecraft Bayliner, I'll turn to port.'
                      So I did turn to port and tried to give him a wide berth, but that is when things got pretty stressful. He kept matching my speed while keeping me broadside so it was hard for me to swing around him and keep going in the direction I wanted to go in. Then he would come on the radio with that message again 'Keep well clear of my vessel.' My wife was fairly freaking out and I was pretty far from comfortable, I told him over the radio 'I'm heading for Victoria, I'll stay out of your way.' But he kept sort of circling me, always staying broadside (I didn't truly believe he would fire on me but it was really disconcerting) and he was moving with me, tracking me like this for about half an hour I would say. The water was great incidentally, I held 16 knots at 2500rpm without any discomfort but I'm not really sure why that naval ship did that. Anyway, about 8 Nautical miles out of Victoria he stopped 'pursuing' me and finally faded into the distance. That was relief. But the the best relief was tying her up in Fisherman's Wharf after a really smooth back-in docking. I think now the real fun begins!

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                        #12
                        We left Victoria one beautiful day in March headed for Oak Harbor (east and north of Victoria) and just got hammered rounding Stains Point on Trial Island. Wife was UNHAPPY!!. Big ebb tide coming south in Haro strait met by 15 kt southwest wind made for a really rough ride.
                        Jim
                        1988 3270 With 135 Hinos

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BryGuy View Post
                          Thanks for all the sound advice. As it turns out, as Pete hoped, I didn't get a chance to read it until I was safe in Victoria this evening. I met a great guy in the Port Townsend marina named Jim Adams and one of the things he shared with me this morning were some of the more useful apps he uses for up to date weather information. 'Windy' was one of them, and using it we discovered that while it was quite windy and rough all around Admiralty Inlet, the actual Strait of Juan de Fuca was only like 4kts of wind. So we set out around 12:30. It was really windy in that Marina and getting out of there was a bit of a gong show but I didn't run into anything and headed out for the strait. The journey almost went exactly as we planned. Water was quite rough until I got out of the inlet but then things smoothed out and I was all set to get on my straight arrow route for Victoria when I noticed I was coming up on a ship on the horizon. No big deal, but as I got closer I realized it was some sort of naval destroyer, must have been American. He was sitting smack dab in the middle of the course I was trying to hold. As I approached I kept him on my starboard but as I got closer the VHF radio crackled up some garble. I don't have much experience with the radio, most of the stuff I've heard come over it so far has been pretty irrelevant but I could hear the word 'warship' in this message so my ears perked up. A few seconds later the message repeated: 'Vessel blah blah blah at cooordinates blah blah blah on heading blah blah blah this is the US Warship blah blah blah continuously turning to port. Steer well clear of my vessel.'
                          What? Was this guy talking to me? Apparently he was and he seemed to be maneuvering constantly to keep broadside of me. I'm not really up on my radio protocol so I said something like 'Copy warship, this is pleasurecraft Bayliner, I'll turn to port.'
                          So I did turn to port and tried to give him a wide berth, but that is when things got pretty stressful. He kept matching my speed while keeping me broadside so it was hard for me to swing around him and keep going in the direction I wanted to go in. Then he would come on the radio with that message again 'Keep well clear of my vessel.' My wife was fairly freaking out and I was pretty far from comfortable, I told him over the radio 'I'm heading for Victoria, I'll stay out of your way.' But he kept sort of circling me, always staying broadside (I didn't truly believe he would fire on me but it was really disconcerting) and he was moving with me, tracking me like this for about half an hour I would say. The water was great incidentally, I held 16 knots at 2500rpm without any discomfort but I'm not really sure why that naval ship did that. Anyway, about 8 Nautical miles out of Victoria he stopped 'pursuing' me and finally faded into the distance. That was relief. But the the best relief was tying her up in Fisherman's Wharf after a really smooth back-in docking. I think now the real fun begins!
                          The problem is that you were "keeping him on your starboard." If you were following the rules of the road you would have changed course to starboard and passed him port to port or around his stern.
                          1995 Bayliner 2452 Mercruiser 5.7L Alpha 1 Gen 2

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                            #14
                            The military guys are really sensitive about getting rammed since the USS Cole incident. I probably would have stopped or slowed well down and “enjoyed” his wake.
                            I was stopped in my previous boat by Homeland Security near the boundary going to Canada. I never did figure the real reason for that one.
                            It gets really interesting when naval ships are going into Bremerton. Rich Passage is, to the best of my knowledge, shut down during the transit. Oh, yeah, there’s no warning to boaters either. They also close the mouth to the Snohomish River while naval ships maneuver in and out of Naval Station Everett. There are only 3200 or so boats in the marinas plus a very active boat launch in the first four miles up river from the base. All of them were there before the Navy Base was built. There is another exit, at high tide with a lot of local knowledge.
                            Actually, you are lucky it wasn’t a submarine. Not only do they have an an escort, which they would have told you to leave the area and given you a distance allowable, but the wake from them is really nasty, steep, tall and short duration between.
                            Glad to hear it all worked out.
                            P/C Pete
                            Edmonds Yacht Club (Commodore 1993)
                            1988 3818 "GLAUBEN
                            Hino EH700 175 Onan MDKD Genset
                            1980 Encounter Sunbridge "Misty Blue" (Sold)
                            MMSI 367770440
                            1972 Chevrolet Nova Frame off Resto-mod in the garage
                            Boating on the Salish Sea since 1948

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                              #15
                              Glad to hear you made it safely to Victoria. You probably want to step up your game on the radio. When the other guy can blow you clean out of the water its best to at least understand what he's trying to tell you.
                              R.J.(Bob) Evans
                              Cierra 2755

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