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    Carpet replacement time

    It’s time to replace the carpet in our 4788

    The old carpet is a berber style light beige in color.

    If you replaced the carpet in your boat, what type, and color did you choose?

    What padding did you use underneath the carpet?

    Any photos would be greatly apreciated!

    KEVIN SANDERS
    4788 LISAS WAY
    SEWARD, ALASKA

    #2
    When mine goes, it will be replaced with wood flooring. Downside might be more engine noise, but sound deadening underlay might dull that. Wood with area rugs will be easier to keep clean in a wet climate and wood adds a little class.
    1989 26' then 1994 32' now 2001 39'

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      #3
      I just recarpeted my boat. I purchased home carpet from Home Depot. IIRC I over bought, 25 yards when I really only needed about 20 for the 38. The padding wasn't the top of the line but it was close, 7 lb I believe. I installed the carpet myself using tack strips and SS staples.
      Jim Gandee
      1989 3888
      Hino 175's
      Fire Escape
      Fyrflyer@ca.rr.com

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        #4
        Originally posted by Jim_Gandee View Post
        I just recarpeted my boat. I purchased home carpet from Home Depot. IIRC I over bought, 25 yards when I really only needed about 20 for the 38. The padding wasn't the top of the line but it was close, 7 lb I believe. I installed the carpet myself using tack strips and SS staples.
        That looks really nice!

        You used tack strips?? Like in a regular house?

        Did you use a carpet stretcher?

        I am going to get my carpet at HD as well, and this will be my first carpet job.

        I was thinking it would be best to cut the carpet up in the garage to make moving the pieces easier.

        KEVIN SANDERS
        4788 LISAS WAY
        SEWARD, ALASKA

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          #5
          We had our carpet bound on all sides so it can be lifted up. No more visible engine hatches, plus it helps cut down on noise and vapour. Had a special high density underlay also installed. The only place the carpet is tacked/glued down is the stairs, the landing at bottom of steps from the flying bridge and the engine hatch of course.
          David
          Sidney, B.C.
          MV Cassiopeia V
          1990 4588
          twin 250 hp Hinos
          8kw Westerbeke

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            #6
            I removed all of the old carpet and padding. Not exactly a fun job but obviously necessary. If your boat has the original carpet you will need to cut around all of the furniture as Bayliner laid the carpet before anything else. Just like a house I laid down tack strips which were nailed into the wood floor. There we're a few areas in the 38 where the carpet rolled up off the wood floor and extended onto the frp hull. In those areas I glued the carpet down (no padding necessary here) using 3M 77 spray contact cement. I used a stretcher in the forward berth as that was the largest solid section. In other areas I used a knee kicker. The hatches were all just hand stretched due to the relative small size. Using the removed carpet as templates was very helpful! Since I had no where to roll out the new carpet at the marina I took my templates to my hangar where I could roll out the carpet, cutting all of the pieces there, then transporting them back to the boat. Useful hints: buy a good carpet knife with plenty of blades. Cut from the back side of the carpet when you can. I used stainless steel staples 1/2Wx3/8D and a pneumatic gun. When stapling do not staple the carpet fibers, pull the fibers back and staple through the backing. When carpeting the hatches you'll have to determine if the hatch space requires rolling both the hatch and the opening or just the opening. Lightly staple the padding throughout the field to keep it in place. Good luck on your project!
            Jim Gandee
            1989 3888
            Hino 175's
            Fire Escape
            Fyrflyer@ca.rr.com

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              #7
              Originally posted by Jim_Gandee View Post
              I removed all of the old carpet and padding. Not exactly a fun job but obviously necessary. If your boat has the original carpet you will need to cut around all of the furniture as Bayliner laid the carpet before anything else. Just like a house I laid down tack strips which were nailed into the wood floor. There we're a few areas in the 38 where the carpet rolled up off the wood floor and extended onto the frp hull. In those areas I glued the carpet down (no padding necessary here) using 3M 77 spray contact cement. I used a stretcher in the forward berth as that was the largest solid section. In other areas I used a knee kicker. The hatches were all just hand stretched due to the relative small size. Using the removed carpet as templates was very helpful! Since I had no where to roll out the new carpet at the marina I took my templates to my hangar where I could roll out the carpet, cutting all of the pieces there, then transporting them back to the boat. Useful hints: buy a good carpet knife with plenty of blades. Cut from the back side of the carpet when you can. I used stainless steel staples 1/2Wx3/8D and a pneumatic gun. When stapling do not staple the carpet fibers, pull the fibers back and staple through the backing. When carpeting the hatches you'll have to determine if the hatch space requires rolling both the hatch and the opening or just the opening. Lightly staple the padding throughout the field to keep it in place. Good luck on your project!
              Thanks Jim! Lots of great advice there!

              KEVIN SANDERS
              4788 LISAS WAY
              SEWARD, ALASKA

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                #8
                Originally posted by Chart-table View Post
                We had our carpet bound on all sides so it can be lifted up. No more visible engine hatches, plus it helps cut down on noise and vapour. Had a special high density underlay also installed. The only place the carpet is tacked/glued down is the stairs, the landing at bottom of steps from the flying bridge and the engine hatch of course.
                Nice photos David!

                The idea of binding the carpet is important, as thats how the OEM pilothouse carpet is done on my boat. For that piece I am planning on binding it myself, then ether gluing, or I’m seriously considering snapping it down.

                In the salon I think I’m going to go with individual pieces, but use your idea and use some permenant snapped down “runners” in high spill, and high traffic areas.

                Question...

                Jim appears to have used a short shag carpet style.
                I cannot tell from the photos what you used. Is it a shag or a berber style?

                Thanks!

                KEVIN SANDERS
                4788 LISAS WAY
                SEWARD, ALASKA

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                • Chart-table
                  Chart-table commented
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                  It’s more of a short loop and it has a waterproof backing. Sorry I couldn’t find pictures of the install.

                #9
                Jim, Do you have any process pictures?

                Chart-table, what is the name of the sound mat you put down? Did you use padding over it?
                P/C Pete
                Edmonds Yacht Club (Commodore 1993)
                1988 3818 "GLAUBEN
                Hino EH700 175 Onan MDKD Genset
                1980 Encounter Sunbridge "Misty Blue" (Sold)
                MMSI 367770440
                1972 Chevrolet Nova Frame off Resto-mod in the garage
                Boating on the Salish Sea since 1948

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                • Chart-table
                  Chart-table commented
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                  I’ll, try and get the name of the Sound mat from my boat yard. The carpet supplier could not get this same mat, it’s much more dense and heavier than standard carpet underlay. My boat yard supplied it. Didn’t put more padding on top of this sound pad.

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                Our carpet - we love the color, the grade, the cushion! Went with a really good water barrier pad. The pad is "Charity 8lb". The carpet was a Kraus carpet called Triumph and the color is called Eclipse. We went through a carpet wholesaler. We were able to do this as the carpet layer had a business account with them. Couldn't be more pleased!
                Ron & Tami
                Midnight Sun
                1990 4588 Bayliner
                Deception Pass, WA

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                • GMS
                  GMS commented
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                  Looks great, would be interested in getting the name of the installer...

                • ksanders
                  ksanders commented
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                  Very nice! That looks GREAT!

                • tlwhiton
                  tlwhiton commented
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                  GMS - our handyman did the carpet for us....he said he would not do again. Apparently, it is very difficult. I know he would cut the carpet at his shop and then take to the boat. Sorry can't be of more help.

                #11
                We replaced carpeting in our 4588 in 2016. The original was a very nice gold tone level loop. My wife hated it. I wanted to do wood but thought carpet would be much easier. We went with a Lowe's
                Pet Friendly carpet and pad. Hardest part was finding anyone that would do the job. I did not want to do it myself. Local boat handyman did the job, stripped out the old carpet and pad, disposed of it, patched and fixed a few floor hatch issues. Job turned out good but total cost was about $1800. Mostly labor. The carpet and pad are the least costly part. The Terriers have taken a few shots on it but it has cleaned right up and will not absorb. The rear cockpit has a section of artificial turf in a plastic drip pan which is where the terriers normal get to between walks.

                All things considered, if I ever do the job again, wood with totally new sub-floor and additional center hatch between the engines.

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                • Jeffw
                  Jeffw commented
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                  $1800 for a 45? GREAT price! I paid $1500 for my 2858 a year ago, and I thought that was cheap...

                #12
                Has anyone used the "plastic" wood "tiles" that HD and Lowes Sell? They don't look nautical but look like they could be pretty attractive....
                We have No Plan and we're sticking to it...,

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                • ksanders
                  ksanders commented
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                  We have some of those in our newly remodeled kitchen, and love them.

                  The wife and I discussed them and she said they would Jethro out boat. I disagreed with her. My thought is if they are good enough for our kitchen, why not the boat?

                  For me the issue was my tables and recliner being launched in a heavy seas.

                #13
                Kevin,
                We recarpeted the hallway, vip, bunk and master using 8# pad and plush pile virtually the same color as stock. We bought the carpet from a residential carpet store and hired one of their installers. I did all the removal which took about a day. Bayliner used lots of staples and glue. A hand scraper, screwdriver, pliers and shop vac are your friends. You will be amazed how long it takes to do something that seems so simple. The only carpet that was not removed and replaced was underneath the washer. The installer used almost all the carpet pieces I removed as templates for rough cutting the new pieces in the marina parking lot before bringing them to the boat. He worked hard and nonstop for two days. He kept the seams to a minimum using an iron and glue tape to join. They are invisible. He used carpet tape to hold the pad to the floor and the carpet to the pad. He used staples where he could go into wood. Total cost for carpet and install was $800. It will be much easier to remove the next time. We did it in July and it looks great after 4 months of use.

                We redid the salon and PH in 2016 using Lonseal teak and holly. Way easier to clean up the dirt and grime that inevitably gets tracked in. We love it. We utilize throw rugs to add color and soften up the look and provide a place to wipe your feet coming into the boat from the different doors. There are trade offs but after 1.5 years we would absolutely do it again. If you want further info on this route I’ll be happy to share what we learned.
                Steve
                2000 4788 w Cummins 370's, underhulls, swim step hull extension
                12' Rendova center console with 40HP Yamaha
                MV Kia Orana
                Currently Alameda CA

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                • ksanders
                  ksanders commented
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                  I saw your photos I think, Wonderful job!

                #14
                Some really great ideas and great photos here, Thanks!

                As a FYI, we seriously considered wood, or any other non carpet flooring, then discounted the idea and chose to do carpet.

                That decision was not based on asthetics, we love wood floors!. It was based on functionality and sound.

                We think that any solid floor will potentially cause our “stuff” (and us) to slide around in a big sea, which we frequently find ourselves in.
                The other aspect is that we feel that carpet provides a pretty significant sound deadening effect.

                Again, thanks!!

                KEVIN SANDERS
                4788 LISAS WAY
                SEWARD, ALASKA

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                  #15
                  Was out at the boat and got a couple more photos showing the binding and underlay. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to get the name of the sound deadening underlay.
                  David
                  Sidney, B.C.
                  MV Cassiopeia V
                  1990 4588
                  twin 250 hp Hinos
                  8kw Westerbeke

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                  • Pcpete
                    Pcpete commented
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                    Thx for trying, Pete

                  • Pcpete
                    Pcpete commented
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                    In the first picture with the corner lifted, is the what appears to be a woven layer between the stranded wafer board and the black board appearing product, the sound mat or is it the black product? Great looking job.

                  • Chart-table
                    Chart-table commented
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                    The sound underlay seems to have a high molecular weight plastic as the upper layer, maybe 1/16” - 1/8” thick, then the greenish/ blue softer foam like layer maybe 3/8” thick. The woven layer is at the bottom, I think just as protection when laid on the wooden deck. I’ll still try and track down the name of that product.
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