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    The ones where you turn a knob to back the trailer up. Same thing with the auto parking options. IMO, if you can't back your trailer down the ramp to launch your boat, or you can't parallel park your vehicle, you shouldn't be driving the vehicle or hauling the trailer to begin with. Just my $.02. Last I knew, parallel parking was a mandatory part of the driving test. When did that change?
    1990 2755 - sold
    2005 275 - sold (now boatless)

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    "Rick Kenyon" post=822377 wrote:
    The ones where you turn a knob to back the trailer up. Same thing with the auto parking options. IMO, if you can't back your trailer down the ramp to launch your boat, or you can't parallel park your vehicle, you shouldn't be driving the vehicle or hauling the trailer to begin with. Just my $.02. Last I knew, parallel parking was a mandatory part of the driving test. When did that change?
    Yeah, my wife can barely back her car, but brags to strangers that I regularly parallel park the truck, boat and trailer. But I've been backing trailers since I was very young, long before I had a drivers license, and back then it was a tractor with a maneuver spreader. :side:

    I completely agree about boaters who cannot back their trailers down the ramps, especially when I am in the lineup waiting for them to splash. Back and forth, back and forth. Some days it is a real gong show.

    There's an idea! We should install a gong for the peanut gallery, those people who hang around the ramp on nice days to watch the boats. That would be awesome! *GONG* 'GONG* It would certainly weed out the bad drivers. LOL
    "B on D C", is a 1989 2459 Trophy Offshore HT, OMC 5.7L, Cobra OD, Yamaha 15hp kicker. Lots of toys! I'm no mechanic, just a blue water sailer and woodworker who loves deep sea fishing.
    MMSI: 367637220
    HAM: KE7TTR
    TDI tech diver
    BoD Puget Sound Anglers North Olympic Peninsula Chapter
    Kevin

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      #3
      You know, I'd love to participate in a trailer backing competition. Or a boat launching competition, that would be fun!


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        "makonnen" post=822390 wrote:
        You know, I'd love to participate in a trailer backing competition. Or a boat launching competition, that would be fun!
        Agreed. I think we've all seen the videos of the launch ramp funnies. Yeah, they are funnies but eventually get real tiresome. I'm not against anyone doing what they want, but if you don't know how to drive a truck and trailer, or boat, or RV or whatever, get someone who does know how to do it to teach you. That's my biggest gripe. You can buy and drive a 40 foot class A RV with no training but you need a commercial CDL to drive a truck that large. Not that you shouldn't need the truck experience or training, but you should also need some level of training to drive a class A motor home.

        ....or conversely, if you don't need some amount of training and proficiency testing to operate a class A RV, then you shouldn't need it to operate a 40 foot commercial truck either. Just sayin....
        1990 2755 - sold
        2005 275 - sold (now boatless)

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          #5
          Those folks growing up on farms have some advantage in the backing up and trailer department. One of the first jobs I recall during haying if you were too small to load bales was driving the truck. Couldn't reach the pedals....there was a hand-throttle. You just knelt on the seat and kept the truck going in a straight line close to (but not over) the bales of hay. Somebody larger would hop in and turn it around at the edge of the field (no power steering those days).

          When my daughter was learning to drive I took her to the local school parking lot one weekend. After an hour of driving around in and out of various spots, I told her to put it in reverse and do the same thing for the next hour. She has no problem backing up. When we got her a car, it was a standard shift.....none of her friends ever asked to borrow or drive it....they didn't know how.

          Same scenario with winter driving...took her to the school with my 4-wheel drive truck after a 4" snowfall before they'd plowed one weekend. Had her drive it around in 4-wheel, then 2-wheel drive for a good long time, making tight turns and donuts and showing her how to avoid and recover from slips and spins. The following Monday I saw the Principal (who I knew pretty well) and he said he saw some "idiot" doing donuts in his parking lot when he drove by on the interstate. I told him I was the idiot and why. He thought about it and said he was going to do the same with his daughter the next year when she started driving.
          Lake Memphremagog, Newport, VT
          2015 Bayliner 175 BR
          Mercruiser 135/3.0 MPI Alpha One

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            #6
            Keep in mind we're all seasoned pros at hauling trailers. A lot of people (ahem, NEW BOATERS, the lifeblood of our sport) have never backed a trailer up, have never loaded a boat, have never trailered a boat....

            Automation in cars is a few years off at most and you are going to start seeing more and more autonomous and driver aid technology. Hey, I am all for it if it makes life easier.
            Matt Train
            BOC Site Team
            Chicagoland, IL

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              #7
              "TPerk274" post=822400 wrote:
              Those folks growing up on farms have some advantage in the backing up and trailer department. One of the first jobs I recall during haying if you were too small to load bales was driving the truck. Couldn't reach the pedals....there was a hand-throttle. You just knelt on the seat and kept the truck going in a straight line close to (but not over) the bales of hay. Somebody larger would hop in and turn it around at the edge of the field (no power steering those days).
              That brings back memories! Muscling a tractor and dray through the fields picking up bales ....in first gear, and a year or two later in second gear, crawling along. Yes. Too small to put the clutch in unless I stepped to that side, grabbed the steering wheel and fender and pushed it in and down with both feet. Then I'd have to reach under the wheel to shift gears. Brakes? Not sure if I ever used them ....or needed to use them.

              And you are a very smart dad! Wish someone would have done that with Wifey, but she says it may be too late for that. I did, however, finally let her bring the truck and trailer to the ramp on opening day of halibut. I had to park over a mile away, and after making the hike once, she asked if she could go get it. "Swing wide and watch your mirrors!" She did very well! Now, if I could just teach her how to back up her little Toyota Tercel. :side:
              "B on D C", is a 1989 2459 Trophy Offshore HT, OMC 5.7L, Cobra OD, Yamaha 15hp kicker. Lots of toys! I'm no mechanic, just a blue water sailer and woodworker who loves deep sea fishing.
              MMSI: 367637220
              HAM: KE7TTR
              TDI tech diver
              BoD Puget Sound Anglers North Olympic Peninsula Chapter
              Kevin

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                #8
                There was a time you needed to know how to read a map. There was a time you needed to know how to check your oil.

                There will be a time where you jump in your car and it starts by itself, opens the garage, backs up, and drives you to your destination, all by itself.

                Hopefully there will be a time when all boats are fuel injected.
                Esteban
                Huntington Beach, California
                2018 Element 16
                Currently looking for 32xx in South Florida
                Former Bayliners: 3218, 2859, 2252, 1952

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                  #9
                  "green650" post=822412 wrote:
                  There was a time you needed to know how to check your oil.
                  I'd be willing to bet that a good number of folks these days have never opened the hood of their car.....or changed a tire.
                  Lake Memphremagog, Newport, VT
                  2015 Bayliner 175 BR
                  Mercruiser 135/3.0 MPI Alpha One

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                    #10
                    I've been towing motorcycle trailers, camping trailers, and boat trailers for 30+ years and would still welcome a trailer backup assist system. To me it is no different than having ABS, traction control, lane assist, smart cruise control, etc. on cars, bow and stern thrusters on boats, dock on command on some Bayliners and Meridians, etc. All these aids have made driving and boating easier and safer.
                    1999 3788, Cummins 270 "Freedom"
                    2013 Boston Whaler 130 SS
                    Anacortes, WA

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                      #11
                      "green650" post=822412 wrote:
                      Hopefully there will be a time when all boats are fuel injected.
                      Well that'll take all the fun out of weekend carburator tuning :lol:
                      Dave
                      Edmonds, WA
                      "THE FIX"
                      '93 2556
                      Carbureted 383 Vortec-Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P

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                        #12
                        "builderdude" post=822442 wrote:
                        "green650" post=822412 wrote:
                        Hopefully there will be a time when all boats are fuel injected.
                        Well that'll take all the fun out of weekend carburator tuning :lol:
                        What for?

                        Many off shore go fast boat guys are ditching their fuel injection system , swapping to a carburetor system ...

                        http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...injection.html
                        Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
                        Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
                        93 3058 sold
                        92 2855 (day boat)
                        91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
                        Longbranch WA
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                          #13
                          "Ruffryder" post=822468 wrote:
                          "builderdude" post=822442 wrote:
                          "green650" post=822412 wrote:
                          Hopefully there will be a time when all boats are fuel injected.
                          Well that'll take all the fun out of weekend carburator tuning :lol:
                          What for?

                          Many off shore go fast boat guys are ditching their fuel injection system , swapping to a carburetor system ...

                          http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...injection.html
                          That's only because they need more HP than the stock fuel injection can supply.

                          And I guarantee you their 8000 hp aftermarket carbed engine doesn't start within one second of turning the key like my MPI does every time.

                          Even if they pump the throttles. :0
                          Esteban
                          Huntington Beach, California
                          2018 Element 16
                          Currently looking for 32xx in South Florida
                          Former Bayliners: 3218, 2859, 2252, 1952

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                            "builderdude" post=822442 wrote:
                            "green650" post=822412 wrote:
                            Hopefully there will be a time when all boats are fuel injected.
                            Well that'll take all the fun out of weekend carburator tuning :lol:
                            You can still have fun tuning EFI; you just have to do it with a laptop. My first experience was a few months ago, after I installed free-flowing mufflers, and did some intake mods to my wife's 2013 Triumph Bonneville. I used a software package called TuneEcu to dial in the injection. I started with a commercially available load intended for an engine with similar mods. Then I fine tuned it a bit by enriching and leaning certain areas of the fuel curve. In the end I got flawless drivability and my hands did not smell of gasoline.

                            Unfortunately many EFI ECUs are locked and you can't mess with them directly.
                            1999 3788, Cummins 270 "Freedom"
                            2013 Boston Whaler 130 SS
                            Anacortes, WA

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                              #15
                              "Norton Rider" post=822418 wrote:
                              I've been towing motorcycle trailers, camping trailers, and boat trailers for 30+ years and would still welcome a trailer backup assist system. To me it is no different than having ABS, traction control, lane assist, smart cruise control, etc. on cars, bow and stern thrusters on boats, dock on command on some Bayliners and Meridians, etc. All these aids have made driving and boating easier and safer.
                              I'll agree that making it easier is preferable, but when you automate more and more of it, you provide the opportunity for less and less "trained" or "experienced" operators to get behind the wheel. If you ensure that the untrained operator can not override the automated safe system, fine. If not, you're still going to have the untrained idiots in the captains seat saying "hold my beer and watch this". Not sure that automation and lack of experience is always in the best interest of all.
                              1990 2755 - sold
                              2005 275 - sold (now boatless)

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