2858 - Positioning of Additional Rod Holders / BBQ Mount-gctid813051

[Capt._Bennett]

Hello,

I have a new stainless BBQ I want to mount on a 1999 - 2858 and wanted to know the best positions people have settled upon. I have 4 rod holders (2 per side) already mounted on the walk around grab rails and 2 angle gunnel mount rod holders still uninstalled.

I've seen Ruff Riders set up and that looks pretty good using the gunnel holder to mount the BBQ. Let me know the options I should consider. FYI.. I gought the BBQ online and it is a bit bigger and heavier then I expected - a Napoleon Freestyle - it didn't look big online...lol



Thanks,

Dion


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[builderdude]

That's a rectangular bbq? I've seen guys mount or set it on the bait table.





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[Jeffw]

I have recessed gunwale mounted rod holders, one on each side. They came on the boat when I bought it, but I installed a pair on a previous boat, kind of a bitch, but worth it. I use my rectangular BBQ on the port side, works great.

[Castaway]

Magma in the pole holder

[Capt._Bennett]

Nice options.

How much weight do you think a single rod holder could take? With a angled rod holder wouldn't the weight of the unit make the adapter want to spin around and drop the BBQ on the gunnel? What types of rod holder adapters have you used?

I am also considering the bait station option.

Thanks

[builderdude]

The rod holder mount has a large wing nut that tightens the unit up into the rod holder so it can't spin. Can't really see the rod holder portion in this pic but it's very secure. Works pretty well.
BTW, thanks for the bbq holder Pep, I've used it a few times now :cheer:


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[Solandri]

"Capt. Bennett" post=813079 wrote:
How much weight do you think a single rod holder could take? With a angled rod holder wouldn't the weight of the unit make the adapter want to spin around and drop the BBQ on the gunnel? What types of rod holder adapters have you used?Thanks

A proper rod holder has a bolt across the bottom. Trolling rods have a removable butt cap, which exposes cutouts in the metal base which lock into this bolt like a gimbal, preventing the rod from rotating.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1QpJtJi9FSQ/TihpRvCsKFI/AAAAAAAAAGk/h6c_Gu8PUzk/s1600/gimbals-PG99.jpg

The bottom of the Magma Levelock holder also has these cutouts. So it will not rotate or spin.

https://www.amazon.com/Magma-Products-T10-355-Adjustable-LeveLock/dp/B0018Y4T2W

Some cheap rod holders don't have this bolt. But every one I've seen pre-installed on a boat does, especially the angled ones. The proper orientation for conventional fishing gear is the reel on top. So on the angled rod holders, if they don't have this bolt, the rod will flip around until the reel is on the bottom. So the bolt is necessary if you want an angled rod holder to hold trolling gear in the correct position. Just shine a flashlight inside your rod holder and peek inside - you should be able to see the bolt.

As for how much weight (torque really) a rod holder can take, I would imagine it's designed to withstand a fish strike when trolling. So figure a 6 ft trolling rod which bends to a 4 ft lever arm when a fish is on. Say you troll with 100 lb test line. You typically set the drag at 1/4 to 1/3 the line strength on a full spool, so that's about 30 lbs. Spools typically have a 2:1 ratio of full to empty diameter. So if a fish managed to take all your line out, that drag setting would translate into 60 lbs of tension in the line.

60 lbs tension with a 4 ft lever arm = 240 lb-ft of torque. Multiply by 2.5 (standard safety factor when engineering boats) to get a design strength of 600 lb-ft of torque. If the grill holder pole sticks up 1 ft from the rod holder, the holder should be strong enough to withstand 600 pounds (nominal) pressing on the grill perpendicular to the pole. Worst case it should withstand 240 pounds.

(Edit: That's the force the rod holder should withstand. If you try to spin the BBQ, that puts torque directly on the bolt, which may fail at a lower weight since fishing rods are skinny so can't generate as much spinning torque. Basically, if you're going to test the 240-600 lb calc, push on the BBQ directly above the pole. Don't push the edge of the BBQ causing it to rotate.)

[Capt._Bennett]

Deadly,

I did not know there was a bolt at the bottom or the purpose of the fishing rod cuts out.

I gotta go check mine out.

Cheers!

[Solandri]

The bolt is also present in fish fighting belts. Without it, when you're fighting a large fish and try to crank the reel, you just end up twisting the rod instead of advancing the reel handle. You end up having to twist the rod one way with your left hand while the cranking motion of your right hand twists the rod the other way. It gets tiring really fast. With a fighting belt, the bolt prevents the rod from twisting and you can just crank away.

https://www.westmarine.com/fighting-belts