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    New Owner of Old (39)94 2452 Bayliner-gctid810865

    Hi all,

    This week I picked up a (new to me) 1994 2452. I know the seller well and the boat has been taken care of during previous ownership. The boat has the generic 5.0 A1G2 set-up with 900 hours on the clock. To the best of my knowledge the boats been in fresh water its whole life, originating in Lake Michigan before finding its way up to Lake Superior where it will be used primarily. I have noticed a few things of interest while inspecting the boat:

    1. The fuel tank has a manufacture date of 98 on it, I'm assuming it has been replaced?

    2. The propeller installed is extremely low pitched. Also the blades are huge. During the test run the boat cavitated while going up on plane. The engine had no problem hitting max RPM, but getting out of the hole was difficult. Any suggestions for a more suitable prop for cruising. I'm planning on using a kicker for trolling so idle speed is of little concern.

    3. The boat currently has a 15hp two stroke kicker mounted on a actuated tilt plate, but I would like to upgrade to a 4-stroke. I do have a 10 hp 4-stroke long shaft merc available, but do not know if that is enough motor to troll on. Any suggestions on minimum kicker size to comfortably control one of these things?

    Thanks in advance for any advice!
    '94 2452 - 5.0 A1G2

    #2
    I have a slightly older 24'er, but I'll give it a go.

    "WWTSE670" post=810865 wrote:
    1. The fuel tank has a manufacture date of 98 on it, I'm assuming it has been replaced?
    Are you sure that is the date and not the volume?

    "WWTSE670" post=810865 wrote:
    2. The propeller installed is extremely low pitched. Also the blades are huge. During the test run the boat cavitated while going up on plane. The engine had no problem hitting max RPM, but getting out of the hole was difficult. Any suggestions for a more suitable prop for cruising. I'm planning on using a kicker for trolling so idle speed is of little concern.
    But what diameter and pitch is it? I bought mine with a 15.25x15 on it. I replaced it with a 15x17 with slightly better results. Now I have a 4 blade composite prop and I'm very happy with it. Mine, however, has the 5.7L.

    Every boat is loaded differently, and are used for different activities in different types of water. Suggest you do a BOC search for prop sizing at WOT (wide open throttle) for your size boat and engine. This will give you an idea of what your engine should be doing, so you can set your prop size prop-erly. :whistle:

    "WWTSE670" post=810865 wrote:
    3. The boat currently has a 15hp two stroke kicker mounted on a actuated tilt plate, but I would like to upgrade to a 4-stroke. I do have a 10 hp 4-stroke long shaft merc available, but do not know if that is enough motor to troll on. Any suggestions on minimum kicker size to comfortably control one of these things?
    I have a 15hp Yamaha 4-stroke short shank. I troll at just above idle, so I'm sure a motor half that size would work just as well.

    And welcome to BOC! If you would, could you put your location in your signature space, or at least on your profile page? It would help with any future questions you may have.Might want to add what you will be using it for too.
    "B on D C", is a 1989 2459 Trophy Offshore HT, OMC 5.7L, Cobra OD, Yamaha 15hp kicker. Lots of toys! I'm no mechanic, just a blue water sailer and woodworker who loves deep sea fishing.
    MMSI: 367637220
    HAM: KE7TTR
    TDI tech diver
    BoD Puget Sound Anglers North Olympic Peninsula Chapter
    Kevin

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      #3
      This is a heavy boat so you want a propeller with a large diameter and blade area. From there select a pitch that puts you in the WOT range specified for your engine. The 2452 is not the quickest thing out of the hole; however with the use of trim tabs performance is adequate.

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        #4
        14.5 x 17 four blade should be a good one for you, it was for me.

        Ask your friend about the fuel tank, if you wouldnt mind out up a picture of the placard on the tank here.
        Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

        1994 2452, 5.0l, Alpha gen. 2 drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

        '86 / 19' Citation cuddy, Merc. 3.0L / 140 hp 86' , stringer drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

        Manalapan N.J

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          #5
          Further to my previous post, .....

          Here's a photo of my tank label. The model number 941-B means mine is 94 US gallons. I don't see a date. I'mm be heading to the boat shortly and will uncover the top of the label to look there.



          Also, my 14.5" composite prop is set at 18" pitch for my 5,7L, so what Chief suggest sounds about right for your 5.0L engine. Again, check out what your WOT is supposed to before that engine and go from there.

          If your kicker mount is like mine, you may need to rebuild it or replace it to put a 15hp 4-stroke kicker on it. My PO had a 15HP Honda 4-stroke on mine, and he cracked the mount in three places. I rebuilt it with some very beefy aluminum and it is working nicely. If you rebuild it, you will also be able to put a better angle to the kicker plate.




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          "B on D C", is a 1989 2459 Trophy Offshore HT, OMC 5.7L, Cobra OD, Yamaha 15hp kicker. Lots of toys! I'm no mechanic, just a blue water sailer and woodworker who loves deep sea fishing.
          MMSI: 367637220
          HAM: KE7TTR
          TDI tech diver
          BoD Puget Sound Anglers North Olympic Peninsula Chapter
          Kevin

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            #6
            Thanks for all the responses,

            I will have to take the prop somewhere to get it cupped to get the exact pitch. If I had to guess I would say somewhere in the 11-13 area. It is a large diameter prop, there's less that 0.5in clearance from the cavitation plate on the alpha leg. As I mentioned before when taking the boat up on step the prop would slip and cavitiate with ease. I am hoping that with the correct prop cruising at 23-35 MPH loaded won't be an issue. I am thinking of a 4 blade replacement prop to assist in the hole shot.

            I have tried to upload a picture of the data tag on the tank, I don't know if I was successful or not. The previous owner did not know it had been replaced when I mentioned it to him. The tank was made by RDS with a MFG date of 05-14-97 (not 1998 like I originally stated). Capacity is listed as the same at 78 gallons. Hopefully there are no issues with this tank leaking like I've heard others do.

            The kicker mount is tied into a custom aluminum swim platform that looks really beefy. I'll have to get a picture of it up here. The mount does have trim/tilt built in which is a nice feature.

            I'm located on the North Shore of Lake Superior in MN. Primarily the boat will be used for great lakes trolling and the occasional trip out to Isle Royale. Once again thanks for the input!
            '94 2452 - 5.0 A1G2

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              #7
              That is really odd to have a 3 year difference in tanks to mfg date. It's possible, but highly unlikely, ....unless it was taken backorder warrantee. But if it was, I would think you would see some evidence, like bulkheads being cut and patched. You would see that at the back of the tank near the engine.

              Mind posting the HIN, a photo of the boat and back the tank so we can get a few more details? My only thought is that the boat is actually newer than you think .....or were told.
              "B on D C", is a 1989 2459 Trophy Offshore HT, OMC 5.7L, Cobra OD, Yamaha 15hp kicker. Lots of toys! I'm no mechanic, just a blue water sailer and woodworker who loves deep sea fishing.
              MMSI: 367637220
              HAM: KE7TTR
              TDI tech diver
              BoD Puget Sound Anglers North Olympic Peninsula Chapter
              Kevin

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                #8
                upper right hand of the transom post a pic number please.
                Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

                1994 2452, 5.0l, Alpha gen. 2 drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                '86 / 19' Citation cuddy, Merc. 3.0L / 140 hp 86' , stringer drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                Manalapan N.J

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                  #9


                  Sorry was out of town for the weekend. Picture should be attached.


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                  '94 2452 - 5.0 A1G2

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                    #10
                    Picture of the deck ?
                    Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

                    1994 2452, 5.0l, Alpha gen. 2 drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                    '86 / 19' Citation cuddy, Merc. 3.0L / 140 hp 86' , stringer drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                    Manalapan N.J

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                      #11
                      Did a decoding of your HIN. This came up:

                      HIN Search results from http://www.hindecoder.com.

                      Success! USCC88CDE494 is of the standard HIN type called Current-Format HIN. If you are buying this boat/craft then you should get the Boat-Alert History for 19.99$ from the two certified boat history report providers.

                      USC HIN Decoder

                      Our HULL ID Decoder breaks down the Hull identification number into the following information:

                      The HIN or CIN you have entered meets the Current-Format HIN format. It might also be a type that contains the country code and thus the boat comes from USA or Other . The serial number of the HIN is C88CD and is set by the boat builder. This boat or vessel has a Certification Date of (4) and a Model Year of 1994 with month of build (May) based on the formatting of your hull_identification_number (HIN) .

                      The manufacturer identification code (MIC) of your craft identification number (CIN or HIN) is USC. This MIC (USC) stands for the company name Brunswick Family Boat Co Inc which is currently Out of Business. This boat manufacturer has other company names (USC sometimes goes by these name(s) Bayliner Marine Corp, Us Marine, The Glass House (oob), or .

                      This company (Brunswick Family Boat Co Inc) is owned by Mark Paulhus and is located at 17825 59TH AVE NE in ARLINGTON state of WA. It manufactured this vessel and placed you HIN or CIN on the hull. The Parent Company for this boat maker is BRUNSWICK FAMILY BOAT CO INC (BLB). Brunswick Family Boat Co Inc has started making boats, yachts and other watercraft as of 10/06/1988 0:00 and went out of business on (10/16/2002 12:00:00 AM) in the following country
                      "B on D C", is a 1989 2459 Trophy Offshore HT, OMC 5.7L, Cobra OD, Yamaha 15hp kicker. Lots of toys! I'm no mechanic, just a blue water sailer and woodworker who loves deep sea fishing.
                      MMSI: 367637220
                      HAM: KE7TTR
                      TDI tech diver
                      BoD Puget Sound Anglers North Olympic Peninsula Chapter
                      Kevin

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                        #12
                        It's a '94 boat with a '97 fuel tank, exact same boat and tank i had, but the tank in my boat i think was a '93.

                        So ether the tank was changed out, or the sticker was changed out.

                        Why would the sticker be changed out a person might enquire ?

                        So the 20 changed out for the tank. The sticker would give another 3 years.

                        Pressure test the tank to 3psi.

                        Hence the question as to the deck i posted.
                        Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

                        1994 2452, 5.0l, Alpha gen. 2 drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                        '86 / 19' Citation cuddy, Merc. 3.0L / 140 hp 86' , stringer drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                        Manalapan N.J

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                          #13
                          Chief, when you had yours, did you ever hear about Bayliner having to replace tanks under warrantee? Is that why you want a picture of the deck?
                          "B on D C", is a 1989 2459 Trophy Offshore HT, OMC 5.7L, Cobra OD, Yamaha 15hp kicker. Lots of toys! I'm no mechanic, just a blue water sailer and woodworker who loves deep sea fishing.
                          MMSI: 367637220
                          HAM: KE7TTR
                          TDI tech diver
                          BoD Puget Sound Anglers North Olympic Peninsula Chapter
                          Kevin

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                            #14
                            No never heard that.

                            20 years is what the tank lasts for it seems.

                            So ether the tank was changed or the sticker.
                            Be good, be happy, for tomorrow is promised to no man !

                            1994 2452, 5.0l, Alpha gen. 2 drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                            '86 / 19' Citation cuddy, Merc. 3.0L / 140 hp 86' , stringer drive. Sold ! Sold ! Sold !

                            Manalapan N.J

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                              #15
                              I'll post pictures of the boat but now looking at it there is evidence of tank removal (stringer repair), and the boat is a '94 from everything I've seen. I'll pressure test it eventually, but don't understand the 20 year time clock on tank life. Do environment and use play a factor or do all tanks deteriorate evenly?

                              4300 RPM's at WOT with a 17 pitch 14.5in 4 blade today (borrowed wheel). Doing around 29 on the GPS. It was good to get the boat on a hard plane and burn some fuel. The boat doesn't plane fully out till around 3800 RPMs which is around 21 MPH.

                              My goal is to drop planing RPM's so I can cruise at 3600 RPM's or so at 22 MPH. Is this possible? In addition does anyone have any opinion on using hydrofoils? Previous experience has shown they drop planing speed... thanks in advance
                              '94 2452 - 5.0 A1G2

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