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    #16
    Again, lots of good info here. Thanks again. I have a follow up question. What is the proper way to give your location?

    Right now, I am currently at 41 deg 36.940 N and 72 deg 28.008 W. What is the proper way to announce that location?

    Regarding the radio, it is currently not hooked up to my chartplotter. Not sure if it even can be. My radio is a Raytheon RAY53 DSC VHF. My chartplotter is a Garmin 441s. I have no idea if they are compatible. I do have a handheld radio that I keep on the boat for emergencies. I will definitely make a ditch bag, put the handheld in it and keep the bag handy.

    Oh yeah, I'm not all that aware of what MMSI is. All I know is that it's a safety feature that somehow helps to provide others your location. And I've never heard of EPIRB. I guess I've got some learning and googleing to do!
    2003 Bayliner 305 - SOLD!
    Twin 5.7L, Carb'd, 445 hours
    Bravo II drives
    Closed-cooling

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      #17
      cwiert wrote:
      Again, lots of good info here. Thanks again. I have a follow up question. What is the proper way to give your location?

      Right now, I am currently at 41 deg 36.940 N and 72 deg 28.008 W. What is the proper way to announce that location?

      [COLOR]#ff0000 wrote:
      Lots of differing answers on this one- I learned this way- your position is degrees, min, sec. Using the above as an example- 41 deg, 36.9n x 072 deg, 28.0w.

      [/COLOR]

      Regarding the radio, it is currently not hooked up to my chartplotter. Not sure if it even can be. My radio is a Raytheon RAY53 DSC VHF. My chartplotter is a Garmin 441s. I have no idea if they are compatible. I do have a handheld radio that I keep on the boat for emergencies. I will definitely make a ditch bag, put the handheld in it and keep the bag handy.

      [COLOR]#ff0000 wrote:
      Your Garmin is NMEA 0183 and NMEA2000 compatible- page 46 of the owners manual has the info needed to set the communications protocols. Here is the installation guide:[/COLOR]http://"http://static.garmincdn.com/...df[/COLOR][COLOR]#ff0000 wrote:


      [/COLOR]


      Oh yeah, I'm not all that aware of what MMSI is. All I know is that it's a safety feature that somehow helps to provide others your location. And I've never heard of EPIRB. I guess I've got some learning and googleing to do!

      [COLOR]#ff0000 wrote:
      MMSI- Maritime Mobile Service Identifier. Basically who you are to the USCG- you sign up for one; when the MMSI is transmitted on channel 70 when the DSC button is pressed, your MMSI number is sent along with your position data.

      Epirb- Emergency radio Position Indication Beacon. Transmits a signal to a constellation of satellites with its positin information.

      [/COLOR]

      Good questions!

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        #18
        I know the Ray 53 can be interfaced as I have had two of them.

        If a radio has DSC and an emegency button then it must have a NMEA input.

        You must program the radio with your MMSI #. You can get one free from Boat US. This is good for US water.

        If you will be travelling internationally get a FCC radio liscence and an MMSI from the FCC. This will be entered into an international database.

        Connect the NMEA out of your GPS/Plotter to the radio NMEA in. Be sure the GPS info is being accepted sometimes the settings need changed on the GPS output sentence.

        BTW - The DISTRESS button on most of the radios must be PRESSED AND HELD FOR 4 to 5 seconds. This is to eliminate false alarms.

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        I second the comment on a EPIRB. I bought mine after the foot ball player were lost in the gulf a couple years ago. A top of the line is about $950 and a basic one can be had near $500.

        Like every thing you get what you pay for. The top of the line will issue your exact position Lat & Lon with it's very first broadcast and it shows your Lat & Lon so you can give them via your hand held radio. A basic one will ping an alert and it will need to be triangulated from 3 satellites to get a fix on your position.

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        A floating VHF handheld with built in GPS is a really good idea.

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        Put individual strobes and a whistle on each lifejacket. Even someone weak can be heard using a whistle.
        Jim McNeely
        New Hope a 2004 Bayliner 305 Sunbridge Express Cruiser
        Twin 5.7s with Bravo2 drives
        Brighton, Michigan USA
        MMSI # 367393410

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          #19
          ksanders wrote:
          If you are in a emergency, in this case a flooding that you've determined you cannot control...

          While everybody is donning lifejackets...

          First, call on channel 16 a mayday. Do this first because you'll very quickly flood the batteries and loose the ability to call for help.

          This procedure is simple, and you need to practice it.

          MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY MY POSITION IS xxx WE ARE SINKING

          Repeat this at least twice. This should start a very short radio conversation with the nearest USCG station. Then you KNOW help is on the way.

          Grab the ditch bag, get in your skiff if you have one, and then set off your EPIRB

          If you do not have an EPIRB buy one. They're cheap and would have saved the life of the Texas boater that died.
          I printed colour coded laminated and attached the three calls to the radio mik. Also included a brief explanation of their use.

          Hello Hello is not one of the calls :kidding
          John McLellan White Rock BC
          "Halifax Jack"
          1999 2855 383 stroker BII
          MMSI 316004337

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            #20
            JimMc wrote:
            I know the Ray 53 can be interfaced as I have had two of them.

            If a radio has DSC and an emegency button then it must have a NMEA input.

            You must program the radio with your MMSI #. You can get one free from Boat US. This is good for US water.

            If you will be travelling internationally get a FCC radio liscence and an MMSI from the FCC. This will be entered into an international database.

            Connect the NMEA out of your GPS/Plotter to the radio NMEA in. Be sure the GPS info is being accepted sometimes the settings need changed on the GPS output sentence.

            BTW - The DISTRESS button on most of the radios must be PRESSED AND HELD FOR 4 to 5 seconds. This is to eliminate false alarms.

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            I second the comment on a EPIRB. I bought mine after the foot ball player were lost in the gulf a couple years ago. A top of the line is about $950 and a basic one can be had near $500.

            Like every thing you get what you pay for. The top of the line will issue your exact position Lat & Lon with it's very first broadcast and it shows your Lat & Lon so you can give them via your hand held radio. A basic one will ping an alert and it will need to be triangulated from 3 satellites to get a fix on your position.
            I did a lot of reading last night. GOod info. THanks to Pete for the link.

            My radio is DSC, so I will definitely be synching that up with my chartplotter. It looks like it's only 2 wires. Why didn't I do that before?! (i guess because i didn't know). I will also be requesting a MMSI# from BoatUs. I read up on how to input that number into the radio. And you're right, you have to depress the "Distress" button for 4 seconds. The radio will actually count down those 4 seconds on the display.

            That leads to a new question... What do you do first, a mayday call on Ch 16, or press the distress button? I'd think the distress button, because if I understand this correctly, when that button is pressed, the USCG will get all your vital info anyway from the MMSI# and will get a fix on your location from the chartplotter. Right? So why waste time with a mayday call and trying to convey that info over the air when the units can send them that info electronically, giving you more time to do other things, like untie the dink, or get your ditch bag and other gear in order.

            Lastly, if your radio is synched to the chartplotter, that should give the USCG your exact location, right? So then why would you need EPRIB? Just for redundancy?

            Thanks again,

            John
            2003 Bayliner 305 - SOLD!
            Twin 5.7L, Carb'd, 445 hours
            Bravo II drives
            Closed-cooling

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              #21
              Time will dictate what radio call you make- if you have time, you can do both. However, if you just took a torpedo on the bow from U-192, and you're going down fast, you may have time to just do 1- or none. Chance favors the prepared mind.

              EPIRB- if your boat gots down, and you're in your dinghy or swimming in a sea of debris, the EPIRB will continue to send out your position long after the boat has sunk, and you've drifted away from the initial position point

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                #22
                cwiert wrote:
                I did a lot of reading last night. GOod info. THanks to Pete for the link.

                My radio is DSC, so I will definitely be synching that up with my chartplotter. It looks like it's only 2 wires. Why didn't I do that before?! (i guess because i didn't know). I will also be requesting a MMSI# from BoatUs. I read up on how to input that number into the radio. And you're right, you have to depress the "Distress" button for 4 seconds. The radio will actually count down those 4 seconds on the display.

                That leads to a new question... What do you do first, a mayday call on Ch 16, or press the distress button? I'd think the distress button, because if I understand this correctly, when that button is pressed, the USCG will get all your vital info anyway from the MMSI# and will get a fix on your location from the chartplotter. Right? So why waste time with a mayday call and trying to convey that info over the air when the units can send them that info electronically, giving you more time to do other things, like untie the dink, or get your ditch bag and other gear in order.

                Lastly, if your radio is synched to the chartplotter, that should give the USCG your exact location, right? So then why would you need EPRIB? Just for redundancy?

                Thanks again,

                John
                Activating the DSC emergency call also sends your distress to every DSC-equipped boater within VHF range. Their radio will show your LAT/LON to aid them in coming to you ASAP. And if they've got the feature on their electronics and properly hooked up, your position will appear right on their chart plotters too. This makes it simple to plot a course to your transmitted location.

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                  #23
                  What Mike said, hit the DSC first thing and all DSC capable boaters will get your emergency and position if they have it connected to a chart plotter. It is also good to call on ch 16 since other boaters that do not have DSC may be closer to you and can assist. Not everyone has DSC yet. So I would blanket my chances of rescue and use DSC, ch16 and if I had time, fire off a couple of flares skyward. No time then just do DSC plus ch 16.

                  cwiert wrote:
                  I did a lot of reading last night. GOod info. THanks to Pete for the link.

                  My radio is DSC, so I will definitely be synching that up with my chartplotter. It looks like it's only 2 wires. Why didn't I do that before?! (i guess because i didn't know). I will also be requesting a MMSI# from BoatUs. I read up on how to input that number into the radio. And you're right, you have to depress the "Distress" button for 4 seconds. The radio will actually count down those 4 seconds on the display.

                  That leads to a new question... What do you do first, a mayday call on Ch 16, or press the distress button? I'd think the distress button, because if I understand this correctly, when that button is pressed, the USCG will get all your vital info anyway from the MMSI# and will get a fix on your location from the chartplotter. Right? So why waste time with a mayday call and trying to convey that info over the air when the units can send them that info electronically, giving you more time to do other things, like untie the dink, or get your ditch bag and other gear in order.

                  Lastly, if your radio is synched to the chartplotter, that should give the USCG your exact location, right? So then why would you need EPRIB? Just for redundancy?

                  Thanks again,

                  John
                  Doug ;}
                  MMSI: 338068776
                  "Go Aweigh to" Photos < click on red letters... 2001 Bayliner 2452 w/6.2 HO (paid for)


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                    #24
                    When you hit the DSC emergency button, your radio switches to VHF channel 70 and transmits the MAYDAY on that frequency. Then it goes back to 16 and awaits an acknowledgement.

                    If you're within VHF range of US or Canadian Coast Guard towers when you do this, CG will reply and get the particulars from you and then will begin broadcasting a MAYDAY relay for you. Their transmission is much more powerful and will be picked up by more vessels than you will reach using a ch16 broadcast.

                    They will take time to share details, LAT/LON, etc with any responders, while you focus on gaining control of the situation.

                    Note: many radios allow you to select an emergency type and that gets tagged onto the DSC message that is sent out.

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                      #25
                      Good points here, but one has been missed. Smaller boats are foam filled and required to pass coast guard testing fully loaded with the plug out(swamped) and still be able to float and operate. Know if your boat has foam or not. It's not likely to sink if it does, so no need to abandon unless on fire or you've been run over by another boat and there is only pieces left, or it's disabled and heading for a dam, rocks, etc etc.

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                        #26
                        cwiert wrote:
                        I did a lot of reading last night. GOod info. THanks to Pete for the link.

                        My radio is DSC, so I will definitely be synching that up with my chartplotter. It looks like it's only 2 wires. Why didn't I do that before?! (i guess because i didn't know). I will also be requesting a MMSI# from BoatUs. I read up on how to input that number into the radio. And you're right, you have to depress the "Distress" button for 4 seconds. The radio will actually count down those 4 seconds on the display.

                        That leads to a new question... What do you do first, a mayday call on Ch 16, or press the distress button? I'd think the distress button, because if I understand this correctly, when that button is pressed, the USCG will get all your vital info anyway from the MMSI# and will get a fix on your location from the chartplotter. Right? So why waste time with a mayday call and trying to convey that info over the air when the units can send them that info electronically, giving you more time to do other things, like untie the dink, or get your ditch bag and other gear in order.

                        Lastly, if your radio is synched to the chartplotter, that should give the USCG your exact location, right? So then why would you need EPRIB? Just for redundancy?

                        Thanks again,

                        John
                        well..let me first say from experience....depending on the radio....some will delay the broadcast 4 secs while others(ie mine) have a cover and will instantly respond and broadcast a signal......with that said....

                        first remain calm..

                        assess the situation

                        make a determination can the boat be saved or should we abandon or call for help..(my first impression was dang...lets see where the water is coming from....dang...call help)...

                        go to radio and don't even think about it...hit the button....the CG will come on air and say..."there has been a mayday broadcast from Bayliner Wild whim ..a 35 ft black and white bayliner location xyz by abc with unknown emergency..any vessel within reach please provide assistance.......at that point I broke in and said...mayday mayday mayday....this is wild whim....I've struck an unknown reef and taking on water...stbd engine dead with 2 people and 2 dogs on board...mayday mayday mayday......

                        from there I had about 6 boats to my side as well as puget mike and virginia within minutes.......

                        now...that is how I did it.....we were all wearing auto inflatables.......so I knew we wouldn't drown.....we don't own a dingy but will be seriously getting one installed this yr....I have the hand held radio but when your running around with your hair on fire trying to get people safe and not sink.....you don't have time to think....where is that danged radio.......have everything ready to grab and go....

                        one thing to think about ...the boat won't be sinking instantly...you will have a few minutes to gather things....but.....install a huge bilge pump in the engine bay...if there's only one...install a 2nd fwd with direct operation off of a batt....with a float switch....I know people think I'm nuts but after seeing my drive hanging with a 4 in hole in the bellows....I know that the one bilge pump ain't enough....2 is better.....

                        make sure all your flairs are current...have them accessable....along or in the ditch bag.....

                        oh yeah...and go thru the mental drills in your head......

                        personally I never knew how I'd react in an emergency like the one we had.........I hope I did ok.....we're still alive and nobody got thier little tootsies wet...

                        hope this all helps.......

                        :arr arr

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                          #27
                          My current Uniden 625 Marine radio

                          Lift the clear plastic protective tab over

                          DISTRESS. If you momentarily press DISTRESS, the channel you were on at the time immediately changes to 16 and your power levelchanges to HI. If you hold down DISTRESS the radio beeps once per second. At the end of 5 seconds, a condition screen appears listing several distress condition choices. Rotate PUSH/SELECT to choose the appropriate distress condition or EXIT if you want to cancel.



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                          Regarding the Raymarine 53 radio



                          Raymarine had issues with the NMEA input being miswired on some Ray 53 radios. The sets with serial numbers of M108877 and higher are ok.

                          It would be wise to check it.

                          Jim McNeely
                          New Hope a 2004 Bayliner 305 Sunbridge Express Cruiser
                          Twin 5.7s with Bravo2 drives
                          Brighton, Michigan USA
                          MMSI # 367393410

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                            #28
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                              #29
                              Safety checklist link.

                              http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...KnvKH06pV_nLUw
                              Pat says: DO-IT-RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!

                              Bayliner 3870 "ALASKA33)
                              Twin 350 GM power
                              Located in Seward, AK
                              Retired marine surveyor

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                                #30
                                seapuppy wrote:
                                well..let me first say from experience...

                                ...hope this all helps.......

                                :arr arr
                                Yes, Seapuppy, your experience definitely helped. Honestly, it was your story last year that even got me thinking about the "what ifs." Before that, I had the "ignorance is bliss" attitude. Reading your story was the first time I said to myself, "oh crap, what the hell would I do if that happened to me...i have no idea." And that was scary. So that's what kicked my butt into gear and started the learning process for me. And hopefully I can share what I've learned with others too. So if there's any good that came out of your unfortunate situation, hopefully this is it. Thanks for sharing your story and providing your input on what you learned from the experience.

                                JimMc wrote:


                                [SIZE]2 wrote:
                                Regarding the Raymarine 53 radio



                                [/SIZE]Raymarine had issues with the NMEA input being miswired on some Ray 53 radios. The sets with serial numbers of M108877 and higher are ok.

                                It would be wise to check it.
                                [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
                                Oh great. OK, I guess I'll be checking that the next time I get down to the boat. Thanks for the heads up.
                                2003 Bayliner 305 - SOLD!
                                Twin 5.7L, Carb'd, 445 hours
                                Bravo II drives
                                Closed-cooling

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