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    60 hp BF error. Long beeeeeeeep. SOLVED!!-gctid650885

    Installed a 60 HP Bigfoot 2004 on my Element last January. Engine has 155 hours on it.

    Last week we had the first run and after I got more speed (3000 rpm) I got an error with a long beeeeeeeeeep. Tried several runs and most of the time it went in error. I think there was 1 time that the engine did not went in error with an speed between 35 and 40 kph.

    Low speeds up to +-3000 rpm are fine. Temperature keeps around 70 degrees Celsius (160 Fahrenheit).

    I had a engineer read out the engine and we did several tests up to 50 kph. Not one error. Also no errors in the memory.

    Engine had run 1200 seconds with a to high temperature error in the past. Our thoughts were Tthat the thermostate got stuck after a period of non use (winter).

    Today again in the boat. After 10 minutes slow I wanted to go a bit faster and the engine gave the same error again. After some tests I think the error is when I build up speed slow. In some tests I did today when I gave full gas no error up to 40kph. With the slow build up the error came up and the engine stuttered a bit, I think.

    Testing with the engineer we did with the cover of the engine due to connecting the laptop. The SC1000 keeps giving an temperature around 70 degrees Celsius. With and without cover.

    Does anybody have a idea what could be wrong? Engineer will be a available next Tuesday for further testing.

    #2
    Under the powerhead, where the water tube connects , is a rubber gromet which seals the tube .... around the gromet corrodes and restricts the water flow.
    Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
    Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
    93 3058 sold
    92 2855 (day boat)
    91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
    Longbranch WA
    Life is Good

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      #3
      I'm more curious as to why you replaced the motor on a boat that can't be more than a couple of years old. :dry:
      ~Joe
      2015 Element XL
      Mercury 115

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        #4
        @ Banana,

        We bought the boat with 15 HP because an engine is more expensive than the boat in Europe... $10.000 for 60 HP BF :S

        @ Ruffryder

        From your response i cannot find the part you mean. Can you maybe point it out on the picture below?

        The mechanic is coming tomorrow. I hope i can reproduce the alarm.


        Attached files

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          #5
          You won't see it, unless that power head is removed/lifted...
          Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
          Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
          93 3058 sold
          92 2855 (day boat)
          91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
          Longbranch WA
          Life is Good

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            #6
            This one is about 2/3rd plugged...


            Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
            Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
            93 3058 sold
            92 2855 (day boat)
            91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
            Longbranch WA
            Life is Good

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              #7
              Tell him what I said...
              Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
              Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
              93 3058 sold
              92 2855 (day boat)
              91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
              Longbranch WA
              Life is Good

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                #8
                Thanks for the fast reply. It looks like an extensive repair.

                Can you also tell me why that gives the alarm? Is it something we can measure or read out?

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                  #9
                  UPDATE!

                  We've got to read out the engine. The error is an overtemperature error in combination with a maximum speed error

                  The temperature is 75 degrees celsius ( 167 Fahrenheit ) when the engine goes into an error.

                  What we also noticed is that the temperature fluctuates constant between 55 degrees celsius and to the error 75 ( 131 - 167 fahrenheit )

                  The dealer told me that the engine is probably not used in salt water. He also said that the thermostate was replaced. Unfortunately i don't now when.

                  Hope you guys have a good hint for me!

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                    #10
                    Update from the technician:

                    Overheat control -From 0 - 2000 rpm (after starting the engine), this mode

                    will not operate for 75 seconds.

                    From 2000 rpm, it will not operated for 24 seconds.

                    When the cooling water temperature is 140┬░F (60┬░C) or above, this mode

                    starts. The buzzer will sound. Ignition to cylinders #1 and #4 will cut off and

                    the engine speed will gradually lower to approximately 3000 rpm.

                    This mode will stop when the cooling water temperature is 118┬░F (48┬░C) and

                    the throttle is fully closed. The buzzer will then stop.

                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                    Overspeed error:

                    4CYL 60HP EFI ECM# 891952-011

                    Wed May 27 18:44:24 2015

                    ECM Freeze Frame

                    Freeze Frame 1 Caused By Fault: OVERSPEED

                    Baro Press . . . 102.0 kPa Battery Volts. . 14.05 Volts

                    Block Press. . . 0.00 kPa Boat Speed . . . 481.7

                    Air Temp . . . . 48.0 ┬░C Cool Temp. . . . 75.0 ┬░C

                    Demand . . . . . 67.3 % Engine RPM . . . 5089 RPM

                    Engine State . . 3 (RUN) FPC Total. . . . 20.1

                    Freq Counter . . 22 Fuel Level . . . 0.0 %

                    Shift Status . . 5 (IN GEAR) Lake/Sea Temp. . 0.0 ┬░C

                    Load . . . . . . 93.5 % MPRLY Req. . . . 1044

                    MAP Press. . . . 96.90 kPa Oil Level. . . . 0.0 %

                    Port TAB Pos . . 0.0 Available Power. 73.4 %

                    Run Time . . . . 156.6 Star TAB Pos . . 0.0

                    TPI. . . . . . . 67.3 % Trim Position. . 0.0

                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                    Over temperature error

                    4CYL 60HP EFI ECM# 891952-011

                    Wed May 27 18:43:54 2015

                    ECM Freeze Frame

                    Freeze Frame 0 Caused By Fault: GUARDIAN

                    Baro Press . . . 102.0 kPa Battery Volts. . 14.14 Volts

                    Block Press. . . 0.00 kPa Boat Speed . . . 521.7

                    Air Temp . . . . 48.0 ┬░C Cool Temp. . . . 75.0 ┬░C

                    Demand . . . . . 100.0 % Engine RPM . . . 5351 RPM

                    Engine State . . 3 (RUN) FPC Total. . . . 21.2

                    Freq Counter . . 1 Fuel Level . . . 0.0 %

                    Shift Status . . 5 (IN GEAR) Lake/Sea Temp. . 0.0 ┬░C

                    Load . . . . . . 96.3 % MPRLY Req. . . . 1044

                    MAP Press. . . . 101.6 kPa Oil Level. . . . 0.0 %

                    Port TAB Pos . . 0.0 Available Power. 73.4 %

                    Run Time . . . . 156.6 Star TAB Pos . . 0.0

                    TPI. . . . . . . 100.0 % Trim Position. . 0.0

                    So it's looks like something is wrong with the cooling. At this moment we can't figure out the overspeed error.

                    So i think i have to look at what Ruffryder said and lift the head...

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                      #11
                      Did you tell your technician what I said?
                      Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
                      Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
                      93 3058 sold
                      92 2855 (day boat)
                      91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
                      Longbranch WA
                      Life is Good

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                        #12
                        The shop that installed the motor is now going to sent me a new thermostate. He wants to try that first... Shop is 140 miles away... If that doesn't work i will have to take a long drive!

                        Aside from that i don't understand why there is also an overspeed alarm...

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                          #13
                          You still not answering my QUESTION

                          more European engineer wanna be guys wasting more time? :lol:
                          Joon, Kathy, Jaden & Tristan
                          Uniflite 42 AC, DD 671N
                          93 3058 sold
                          92 2855 (day boat)
                          91 Fourwinns 205 (lake boat)
                          Longbranch WA
                          Life is Good

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                            #14
                            I told the technician.

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                              #15
                              Solved! With installation of a new thermostate the temperature is stable at 53 degrees celcius!

                              Still have to do some extra tests for the over speed. But until now not 1 error anymore!

                              Happy for now!

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