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Catastrophic steering failure Volvo 260 13 Aug 2017 19:21 #1

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Really need help. Lost steering had to be towed in. 1984 bayliner 2850 Volvo 260. Open engine hatch turn wheel cables are turning top of drive inside, drive is not turning in the water. I fear the worst!! Can't do a pullout now. Anyone have any ideas at all??? Thanks in advance. Rick you have helped me out in the past. You have the most knowledge on these. Any help is much appreciated.

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I will take a guess.
Part #47(steering arm) has a bolt that clamps it to part #2(steering yoke) Both parts are splined.
I think the clamp bolt has came lose at some point and has worn away the splines that are meant to keep them moving together.

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X2 on the steering arm clamp.
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That's what I figured. Something with the fork. Anyone have any idea what the cost would be, does the drive have to be removed to fix it. Also what parts would be needed. Thanks for the responses!

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Shop Ebay. Prices very though probably under $150. I believe you would need parts #2 and #47 but you will know for sure once you can get a better look at it. Careful as they make two different styles. Just make sure to match the part with the splines up with yours as there are 2 different sizes. I believe you can change it with out removing the drive if i remember right.
Also when you have it apart you should change parts #11 and #12 fallowing the manual instructions.
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Another Tip from Bounty is the make the slot in the steering arm longer by a little bit so it will clamp better against the steering fork.
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I'm not sure I follow that. Looking at the diagram I see the yoke on top which has the grease fitting. Is there a bolt that connects it to the fork? Do I need a new fork? I'm good with engines not with drives. I am pretty handy if I don't have to pull the drive.

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The steering arm clamps around the steering fork and tightens down with a clamp bolt #48

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So I probably have to have it hauled out and taken apart before I really know what I need to fix it. I was hoping to get the parts ahead of time. Has anyone ever changed or fixed one before?

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Have someone turn the steering as you watch to see what is moving and what is not that should be. One other possibility is #13 could be broken.
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I had my wife turn the wheel and #47 is moving in the engine compartment. I looked under swim platform and the drive didn't move at all. I peeked between the platform and the boat and I can see what appears to be the top of the fork. I really can't see much in the water but I know for sure the drive is not moving. Turning the wheel has very little resistance now. Just worried that things won't come apart easily as it's a 33 year old boat.

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Does anybody know which drive this would be? I have a AQ260a motor, but not sure which drive. 1984 Bayliner Contessa 2850. Thanks.

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Catastrophic steering failure Volvo 260 14 Aug 2017 16:43 #13

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You have identified that #47 (steering arm) moves with the steering wheel, so your steering up to that point is not your problem.

If #47 is moving and the steering helmet/steering yoke (#2) is not moving, then your issue is either steering arm clamp/steering yoke shaft interface is toast, or the steering yoke shaft is broken somehow (Never seen that though, seems very unlikely).

My solution would be to:

1) Pull the pin in the helmet to separate it from the drive

2) Remove the upper part of the drive (transmission). This is an easy and common thing to do.

3) Loosen the steering shaft clamp

The steering yoke/steering helmet should drop out on the rear. Check out the splines. I suspect you will find them toast as previous posters have mentioned

Also remove the steering shaft from inside and inspect it.

Sometimes the steering shaft clamp does not tighten easily and that's the reason for extending the slot in the steering arm. In the past I have also drilled the steering shaft so as to use a bolt with a nylock nut on it, rather than use the threaded portion of the steering arm. Much easier to get it to clamp with the bolt.


Of course, having said all this the tricky part is getting back there. On my Bounty it's pretty well buried with the twins. Hopefully yours is more accessible.


While you are in there check the condition of the bushings. If there is slop, replace them and take the opportunity to grease them with the best grease you can find.

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Catastrophic steering failure Volvo 260 14 Aug 2017 17:57 #14

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Ok that helps alot. I have single screw so moving around is not a problem. If I understand you correctly this will allow me access to the fork which I assume is the problem. I am just hoping 33 years on the back of the boat with all the corrosion will allow all the bolts to come out. I guess I will get a new fork and all that goes with it. Thanks for the info!!

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You'll need to get the boat out of the water.

It could be one of several things:
..... the spindle arm pinch bolt has loosened up
..... the collar steering fork shaft has become compromised
...... the helmet may have broken
...... the helmet pin loosened up

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cfoss1 wrote: You have identified that #47 (steering arm) moves with the steering wheel, so your steering up to that point is not your problem.

1) Pull the pin in the helmet to separate it from the drive
2) Remove the upper part of the drive (transmission). This is an easy and common thing to do.
3) Loosen the steering shaft clamp
The steering yoke/steering helmet should drop out on the rear.
While you are in there check the condition of the bushings. If there is slop, replace them and take the opportunity to grease them with the best grease you can find.
Chay


This post is very timely because I plan to replace the steering yoke bushings on my 275 drive during winter service this year, which will include removal of the transmission for servicing the U-joints and PDS (if necessary). I was unsure as to whether it's possible to pull out the steering yoke from the rear with only the tranny removed, but your post gives me some confidence that you can do so..

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That is correct!
With the transmission removed, and with all going smoothly....., the collar steering fork will drop down once the spindle arm pinch bolt has been removed.
It may require a bit of force, but it should drop free!


NOTE: The spindle arm incorporates the Port to Stbd steering stops! It must be indexed to the collar steering fork correctly, or your stop-to-stop angles will be unequal!



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Last thing. When replacing the steering yoke get a new seal which is really a splash guard for the steering yoke shaft. This is the seal that prevent saltwater from getting up into the bushing causing corrosion and swelling leading to stilff steering

Also when doing up the clamp on the steering yoke have a helper hold the yoke up as high as possible to to engage the seal. The clamp is the only thing holding the yoke up which is kindof a silly design but that's how it works

My bet is the yokenshaft rather than the shift arm because its a softer material bit the connection between the two is a typical point of failure
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Yokenshaft lol. I must be starting to speak sweedish

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That's clearly Norwegian! Imported Eginear.

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Last thing. When replacing the steering yoke get a new seal which is really a splash guard for the steering yoke shaft. This is the seal that prevent saltwater from getting up into the bushing causing corrosion and swelling leading to stilff steering
Yep........ that is the "V-ring" seal.
It installs on the lower area of the Collar Steering Fork shaft.... lip facing upwards. Best to glue it in place.
Be sure to fill the lip with water proof grease.


Also when doing up the clamp on the steering yoke have a helper hold the yoke up as high as possible to to engage the seal.
DO NOT hold it up to the point of "over-compressing" the V-ring seal.

The clamp is the only thing holding the fork up which is kind of a silly design but that's how it works
That would be the function of the "pinch area slot" and the "pinch bolt".
The spindle arm and fine splines are galvanized carbon steel, yet the collar steering fork shaft and fine splines are aluminum.
Actually, the two work very well together if we can prevent corrosion from occurring in this area.
But yes..... in that respect...... it could be better designed.


My bet is the yokenshaft rather than the shift arm because its a softer material bit the connection between the two is a typical point of failure
Yes.....(speaking Muppet Show Swedish Chef language) the yokenshaft hurgen moid must ve klean and tighten guden. :)




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Bartman.... when your wife turned the wheel, could you see the fork moving from the outside? If that's moving then the problem is with the helmet - either broken or the side bolts came loose in which case it may have fallen off. You should be able to see the helmet though without hauling... but you will likely need to haul in any scenario mentioned.

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No nothing at all moves. In fact I managed to get a picture under the swim platform. I can see the splines on the fork. I also have a water leak and noticed in the picture the seal is shot. I believe the pinch bolt came loose. I am having it hauled out in a month for the season, will now exactly what happened then. I will post pics in hopes of helping someone else out. Unfortunately my summer came to an early end. Thanks again to everyone for the help.

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