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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 28 Feb 2016 00:18 #1

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Holy concrete I have a head ache migraine, so its Sat. I am working to finish one more little modification I am cutting out part of the shelf on the port side to install a hatch, so I get the plywood out! What due I find ---- CONCRETE , so best way to get it out and more to the point why, the 2859 has a reputation for being tail heavy so now I know the culprit Bayliner had concrete left over from a project and did not won't to waste it, Buiderdude did I not read you found the same on your boat? Please help my MIGRINE go away. Fritz :woohoo: :evil:

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 00:33 #2

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Something to do with correcting a list methinks

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 01:48 #3

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Yep. My stepfather worked for Bayliner in the 80-90s. He told me they would take the bare hulls out with 2x4 bracing and run them to figure out where to add any ballast to correct listing or any other trim issues. Prob not a good idea to remove it unless you feel it listing or wanders to that side now

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 01:49 #4

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Where exactly did you find it and how much was there?

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 01:56 #5

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Not unusual for concrete as ballast, the problem is when the concrete come loose and rubs the hull over time.
Lead shot works very well although more expensive, extra batteries are much better.

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 03:11 #6

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boatworkfl wrote: Not unusual for concrete as ballast, the problem is when the concrete come loose and rubs the hull over time.

Or water gets to it and adds even more weight :pinch:
Fritz, yup I had the same, port side box. I took most of it out ;) www.baylinerownersclub.org/index.php/for...-on-my-2556?start=25

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 15:26 #7

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Thanks for the reply's, to answer as to location, port side under the battery's alongside of the engine, the compartment looks full so don't know what the weight will be but I will find out since it not remaining there, It always listed to port when passengers where on board. Dave did you have any in the starboard side? :woohoo:

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 16:55 #8

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Nothing in my starboard side. I removed 130 lbs from the port side box. The PO had the bottom paint further up on the port side by about 2" so that's what clued me in to the list to port. Also he had everything heavy on that side as well ( 3 batteries, water heater, kicker on the swim step, trim/tilt pump etc.). The stuff I removed came out fairly easy with the help of a chisel bit on my small roto hammer. It was also saturated so it broke apart pretty easy. I did leave a small amount in the very forward area as it seamed I was abusing the hull trying to get it loose. If for some reason I need the weight back I'll use batteries instead.
Before.

After. You can see what I left in the small area forward.

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 17:04 #9

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Thanks Dave for the info. I have just been out there, needed a break from the dust, I have a rotor- hammer and air chisel going but its good concrete, better than my driveway. :woohoo:

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 17:22 #10

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:pinch: Yikes!
Something tells me you will be successful :)

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Holy Concrete head ache 28 Feb 2016 17:50 #11

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You've been on a mission to move weight forward, this must feel like striking gold. Wonder how common this is on the 2859, we all know how heavy the arse end is on these boats.

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Holy Concrete head ache 29 Feb 2016 15:48 #12

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Loun you are correct, as it is turning out, its a total boat rebuild in progress, yes I have been moving things to adjust weight and now this challenge I did add a 15 HP kicker on the port side and it was leaning to port a bit so now we know. My hunch is Bayliner would float an early model of a new design empty and decide how to solve any imbalance problems the low buck way, so every unit in that run would get the same treatment. :woohoo: Then we the no nothing owner coms and loads the boat and haven forbid start modifying things bad boat nuts we are. :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Holy Concrete head ache-- 2859 29 Feb 2016 15:50 #13

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Admin can we add this to the 2859 owners list, please. :)

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Holy Concrete head ache-- 2859 29 Feb 2016 16:18 #14

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I want to see pics :P

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Holy Concrete head ache 29 Feb 2016 22:49 #15

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OK yes I will take some, have to vacuum dust up first, what a mess, just wet to Home Depot for new chisels. :S

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 08 Mar 2016 17:01 #16

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Good morning its picture time, the start and during removal.





By now I have removed all the concrete and on for clean up and more pictures. All pitch in,- how many Lbs. of concrete was in there? I pressed a bathroom scale into service. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 08 Mar 2016 21:41 #17

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Looks like it was super hard to get out. Mine was wet and most came out fairly easy.
I'll guess you took out 175-185 lbs :huh:

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 08 Mar 2016 22:00 #18

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Yikes!
That whole compartment was full?

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 09 Mar 2016 00:01 #19

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Dave you are good, :cheer: It came out to 178 not counting the dust and stuff flying, still cleaning :woohoo: Yes the compartment was full, after clean up, 36 grid sand the area and with my 90Dg. air sander edge it out, prep for a layer of woven and 2 layers 1.5 mat might put one layer of boat cloth and then gel coat, fun. :evil:

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 09 Mar 2016 00:23 #20

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Nice work. You wouldn't expect to ever need a jack hammer for a boat project.

I cant wait to see if i have the same thing lurking in my boat.

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 09 Mar 2016 01:12 #21

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Loun wrote: Nice work. You wouldn't expect to ever need a jack hammer for a boat project.

I cant wait to see if i have the same thing lurking in my boat.


Im not even going to look!

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 09 Mar 2016 03:02 #22

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:woohoo: Where's my prize? :silly: :lol:

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 09 Mar 2016 15:35 #23

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Ok Dave, First Beer on me, local to be sure. :P

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 10 Mar 2016 00:26 #24

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Now I wonder if my boat has that too.
I'm considering moving my batteries to the starboard side, slide them under the fish well/ski locker, whatever that is supposed to be. Looks like there is plenty of room there.
Then I would have a ton of room for storage on the port side.

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Holy Concrete head ache 2859 owners 10 Mar 2016 02:10 #25

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That's where my batts were located. Two AGM house and a start.

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