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My 27' Victoria UNPLANNED project. 11 Apr 2014 23:38 #551

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A lot has been done in the last few days, but it's not all visible. The only progress is that I made the floors edge support strips and got them glassed in finally. The heat and my sleep scheduled have been fighting me. But I got all but two strips installed last night before I quit. Today I got up early and installed the last two and laid two layers of mat over all of them. With the heat in the boat climbing I barely got that done just as the resin had started to gel. Later today I'll trim the edges and start working on the hatch I need in the flooring section to access the seacock and pump for the bathrooms shower drain.

All the edge strips soaked in thinned resin ready to install.

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All glassed in curing and ready to be trimmed.

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Waiting for the heat to die down yesterday I decide to take a run out to West Marine to get the seacock I needed. I spent a couple hours with the manager telling him what I was doing and even showed him this thread on the forum to drive my point home. I asked him how many times I had to buy stuff there and how much money I had to spend before I started getting a good discount to make it worth returning to them. He said he would take care of me and we went to the checkout with a 3/4" seacock, elbow and a through hull fitting. The list price in their book shows the cost of the seacock at $162. With all 3 pieces I walked out the door paying $128.98. Not a bad discount IMO.

Here's the setup I bought. And yes, he even gave me a free catalog.

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With this type of seacock, and the advice I've gotten from here I have to make a thick spacer to go between the hull and the seacock. I have all the glass cut out and ready to start laying up later today. I was going to make a circular mold to lay it up in, but I'm just going to lay it all out flat and then cut the radius out with my lathe. That will come later on. Here are several layers alternating with mat, roving and biax to make up the block spacer that will be glassed to the hull to mount the seacock with.

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I miss the cool weather that a lot of you have right now. If there was a way to trade some of it I would! :silly:

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My 27' Victoria UNPLANNED project. 12 Apr 2014 03:06 #552

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I don't remember how many layers of glass it took to lay up the seacock spacer, but here it is all laid up to 3/4" thick. Before I started laying it up I put a coat of wax on two pieces of glass and then sprayed PVA mold release on both sheets of glass. With all of the glass whetted out with resin I set the second sheet of glass over the top with 3/4" pieces of plywood between them in hopes that it cures at 3/4" thick. Then I placed all my lead weights I have on top to compress all the layers down tight. It's going to be interesting when it comes time to pull all this apart tomorrow. I'm hoping it works as easy as it does when I form up the motorcycle parts I make. Stay tuned to follow that drama.

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Lots of layers of glass compressed between sheets of glass to equal 3/4" when it's cured.

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My 27' Victoria UNPLANNED project. 12 Apr 2014 03:15 #553

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Damn Larry, I would have chinced out and used a piece of PVC or something. You must love layin glass :silly:
Looks great dude, plywood floor soon? You figure out what to do for a hatch in the floor yet?
Keep up the amazing work ;)

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No, It's not that I love laying glass. It's that I love knowing that what ever step I make will keep me from having to redo it in a year or two. A fiberglass spacer bonded to the fiberglass hull shouldn't ever cause me to have to ever replace it or redo the job again.
I'm just going to cut out the hatch with a backing ledge glassed under the floor for the hatch cover to set in. I'm going to do it the simple way I guess.
There's a few things to finish setting up with hoses and through bulkhead holes for the bilge pump and toilet water inlet hoses before I can bond the floors down to the stringers.

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My 27' Victoria UNPLANNED project. 12 Apr 2014 03:57 #555

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While I sat here typing out the last couple posts my two dogs kept barking at some fairly loud noises in the back yard. I did go out and check to see what might be going on but didn't find anything. When I was finished with my post I checked on the spacer I had just laid up sitting out in the back yard. To my surprise I found what the noises were that the dogs were alarmed to. The heat in 3/4" of glass had produced heat in excess of 160 degrees and had shattered the glass sheets upper and lower. THe cool part is that all the glass came off without issues since they were prepared with the mold release.

This was my surprising view when I checked on the layered glass after hearing all the noise that my dogs were barking at.

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Literally when I took all the lead weights off the glass and picked it up, all the cracked glass from the underside fell away from the fiberglass. One piece came a couple inches from impaling my foot. I got lucky there.

OK, all the glass removed and curing.

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My 27' Victoria UNPLANNED project. 12 Apr 2014 05:01 #556

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Be careful Larry! You don't want to be stitching up your foot now :P

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builderdude wrote: Be careful Larry! You don't want to be stitching up your foot now :P


+1 :ohmy:

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My 27' Victoria UNPLANNED project. 12 Apr 2014 12:01 #558

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builderdude wrote: I vote twins on the power plant. You've already got all the stuff, obviously you'll have to rebuild all of it :whistle:
Then again a SBC with a puffer on it might be cool :silly:


The twins OHC 4's would be nice..... but this hull won't really perform unless fitted with a well built V-8...... IMO.


See post #1. Larry needs new/used drive components regardless.


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My 27' Victoria UNPLANNED project. 12 Apr 2014 13:29 #559

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I am agree with Rick, but didn't Larry already install the new stringers layed out for twins? Not sure how a single will drop in at this point.

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Nauti Mike wrote: I am agree with Rick, but didn't Larry already install the new stringers layed out for twins? Not sure how a single will drop in at this point.

Don't think he's done the engine stringer stuff yet.
Rick, your correct, I forgot the gimbal ass. was basically trash :ohmy: heck, now that I think about it. Larry could probably fabricate his own parts. :silly: me thinks he can do just about anything.

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"Don't think he's done the engine stringer stuff yet."

Larry's glass in so much wood I guess I lost track.

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All I've got in the engine compartment is the two outer stringers and 1 core layer on the transom. I didn't do anything for the motor's/motor yet deliberately. I'm trying to save up money in a separate account just for the out drive and motor choice after all the interior is finished.
But as for the rotted out drives I have now, I've already bought two mid sections off ebay just in case I decide to rebuild them and go with the two 4's. I got them for a really good price, so I couldn't pass them up.

Rick, since you think the v8 is a better choice, find me a super deal on the DP out drive assembly and all the parts I'll need to bolt up the motor. :P You already know I have a fresh SBC that I can refit for marine use.

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Where you located at Larry ?

Your going to want to stay with Volvo ?

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I've tried before to update my signature with no success. This time it worked. I'm in Sacramento CA

Yep, Volvo is where I want to stay. I'm sure it would make modifying the wiring harness much easier too.

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I would look for a donor boat.

I needed a engine for my boat, i searched and searched, then i saw on e-bay a local guy selling his boat, trailer the whole thing with the engine i needed.

I called him went and looked at it, it started in the driveway of his house but the oil pan was shot, bought the whole thing for 400 bucks.

Look for a donor boat, you need everything.

Maybe one that sunk, you don't need a engine you say you have one.

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Chief Alen wrote: I would look for a donor boat.

I needed a engine for my boat, i searched and searched, then i saw on e-bay a local guy selling his boat, trailer the whole thing with the engine i needed.

I called him went and looked at it, it started in the driveway of his house but the oil pan was shot, bought the whole thing for 400 bucks.

Look for a donor boat, you need everything.

Maybe one that sunk, you don't need a engine you say you have one.



If he is looking for wiring he doesn't want one that sank, water gets under the insulation and issues can arise a few years latter.

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The problem I'll have is that I don't know what model/year boats to search for that would have the DP Volvo setup. Is there a list somewhere that I could use as a basis for searching?

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Today's progress was getting the last floor support edge strip made and bonded in place. I had to cut a few slots in the wood to get it to conform to the curve though.
With it presoaked I laid a layer of mat on the backside and used a slow cure paste to bond it. I learned my lesson last time I did this and had the upper support beams ready to hold the piece down. When it's all cured up I'll scribe a line at the top to grind it down to the flooring level.

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Not wanting to waste the rest of the day waiting for the edge strip to cure, I worked on the seacock spacer. I cut a rough circle on my band saw and drilled a hole in the center of it so I could put a 1/2" bolt in it so I could chuck it up in my lathe. After machining it to a perfect circle I reversed the jaws on the chuck to clamp it from the outer edge and machine the surfaces flat on both sides. With that done I machined the hole in the center for the through hull fitting. I still have to cut a bevel on the outer edge so it will glass in nice and smooth when the time comes. But now I at least have a nice flat surface for the seacock to seal against when it's mounted.

Machining the outer circle.

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Both sides machined flat.

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Boring the center hole for the through hull.

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All set up and ready when I get to installing it.

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With all the advice and links you all gave me to look at, I still have a lot of prep work to do before I can install the seacock.

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His name is Larry.......master fabricator. ;)
Looks great!

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Larry you are one talented dude B)

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Thanks guys, but it's really the tools and equipment that's making me look like I know what I'm doing. :silly:

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Today started out pretty simple. Clean up the edges of the support strip and get it glassed in with two layers of glass. Not that big of a job.
All ground down level, glassed in and ready for the flooring.

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So next up was going to be the hatch in the floor over the seacock. But for some strange reason I decided to fit the spacer on the hull and see what it would take to get it all level and ready to be bonded. If you remember, I had added a couple extra layers of glass in the area where the seacock would go after I had filled the old out of round hole. With what I've learned about installing it properly I had to grind off the couple extra layers because it was way to small and the spacer would not sit level to the hull. I drilled the 1 1/32" hole in the hull and them put the through hull in it and supported in from under the hull to hold it it place tightly.

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Then using double sided tape I bonded a new 16 grit grinding disc to one side of the seacock spacer. I figured since the center hole and surface were a perfect fit, it would be the perfect sanding block to level the hull.

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After the surface of the hull was ground down I sprayed the area with blue machinist dye so I could see the surface as it was sanded down.

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For quit a while I turned the spacer back and forth to get an idea of how much this was going to take. At first the high points were so prominent that I used the grinder to lower the high areas and then rechecked it with using the spacer to check the surface again.

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This was after at least 30 to 45 minutes of hand sanding. Not going very fast. It took a lot of downward pressure to get it this far.

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I tried to figure out a way to make it go faster but couldn't make a setup that used a drill without ruining the spacer I made. So the next best thing was to add weight to the spacer so I didn't have to push so hard. The safest way to do that was to remove the heavy metal chuck from my lathes and clamp it on the spacer just like it was when I was machining it.

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The results were a lot better. I still had to turn it by hand, but in 10 minutes I had gotten pretty close. Not that much farther to go now.

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If your wondering why I'm going to all this trouble, with both mating surfaces being parallel to each other, when I bond the plate to the hull I know it will be right and won't put the through hull fitting and the seacock in a bind being crooked. I know, overkill. But overkill means not having to do it again!
Obviously I didn't finish the surfacing tonight. I can only take so much twisting back and forth. I'll sand this down once in a while till I'm happy with the level of it. I intend to use mat to bond the spacer to the hull so it will be a permanent part of the hull.

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LRCX 2750 wrote: The problem I'll have is that I don't know what model/year boats to search for that would have the DP Volvo setup. Is there a list somewhere that I could use as a basis for searching?


The Volvo Penta Duo Prop drive was introduced in 1983. It would have been installed on a 280 drive.
The AQ series Duo Prop can be a bolt-on unit to any existing AQ series drive.
The Non-Gimbal system AQ series transom shields, transmissions and Intermediate housings will all accommodate the Duo Prop drive.

The pioson of choice, becomes which style transom shield you want to go with.
275, 280, 285 style..... (no power trim)
280 PT...... (second generation power trim)
290 style........ (ok power trim)
C style.......... (excellent power trim)
C-1 and later style......... (excellent power trim)

Your Vicky with a 5.7L SBC will require the 1.95:1 over-all ratio.
Your Vicky with a correctly built 6.3L SBC can use the slightly stronger 1.78:1 over-all ratio.


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Larry the install of your thru Hul is fantastic the spacer to perfaction and the full flow good Bronze. :P

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