Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
  • Page:
  • 1

TOPIC: Heater fans

Heater fans 18 Sep 2017 14:04 #1

  • yoeman
  • yoeman's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 87
  • Thank you received: 4
My 3988 has both electric heat and an added Wabasco diesel heater but my issue is I don't have power to the mid berth or salon fans.
Are they controlled or do they only work when the diesel heat is up and running.
No information is available on breaker or fuse location
Picture shows the fan lower right
Thanks

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

2001 Bayliner 3988 330 hp Cummins 6bta m3
950
Located in Blaine Harbour Marina

Heater fans 18 Sep 2017 14:40 #2

  • The Other Gary
  • The Other Gary's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1241
  • Thank you received: 128
Those are King PAW 120 volt wall heaters. The breakers are on the main panel labeled heater. There are three of them.
The thermostat that controls each one is nearby, in the mid cabin it is on the wall above and to the left of the closet.
They are an extremely quiet and nice working heater. You may want to have your wiring checked to see if the breaker is bad, the line voltage thermostat is bad
or if the heater is bad.
Amazon had a huge sale on them last year and many of us here on the forum bought replacements. I did as well even though my 20 year old heaters still worked.

www.king-electric.com/product-residentia...n-driven-heaters.php

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

"Adios Dinero"
1997 3988 with new 330 Cummins
Photo Credit: Whiskywizard

Heater fans 18 Sep 2017 15:35 #3

  • Norton Rider
  • Norton Rider's Avatar
  • Away
  • Moderator
  • Moderator
  • Posts: 3256
  • Thank you received: 612

The Other Gary wrote: Those are King PAW 120 volt wall heaters. The breakers are on the main panel labeled heater. There are three of them.
The thermostat that controls each one is nearby, in the mid cabin it is on the wall above and to the left of the closet.
They are an extremely quiet and nice working heater. You may want to have your wiring checked to see if the breaker is bad, the line voltage thermostat is bad
or if the heater is bad.
Amazon had a huge sale on them last year and many of us here on the forum bought replacements. I did as well even though my 20 year old heaters still worked.

www.king-electric.com/product-residentia...n-driven-heaters.php


+1

In addition, the diesel heater and the electric space heaters are independent from each other. If the diesel heater is of the forced air type, it has a built-in fan on the heater that forces heated air through a system of ducts and registers. If it is a hydronic heater, it circulates hot coolant to a series of air handlers. The air handlers have built-in heat exchangers and fans.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1999 3788, Cummins 270 "Freedom"
2013 Boston Whaler 130 SS
Anacortes, WA

Heater fans 18 Sep 2017 16:38 #4

  • Pcpete
  • Pcpete's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1414
  • Thank you received: 331
+2 on the King Pick a Watt. At my home "slip" I'm limited to 15 amps. I was able to select, by which wires are connected, 250 in the guest stateroom and 500 each in the salon and master stateroom on our 3818 and still have enough for a light or two and the refrigerator. And, they fit in the old mounting can with minor modifications and I used the original grills.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

P/C Pete
Edmonds Yacht Club (Commodore 1993)
1988 3818 "GLAUBEN"
1980 Encounter Sunbridge "Misty Blue" (Sold)
MMSI 367770440
1972 Chevrolet Nova Frame off Resto-mod in the garage
Boating on the Salish Sea since 1948

Heater fans 19 Sep 2017 03:12 #5

  • Bay39
  • Bay39's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Poulsbo, WA
  • Posts: 65
  • Thank you received: 16
NortonRider is correct on how quiet and efficient these King Electric heaters are. I replaced the salon unit when the drum motor started to make noise and since they are permanently lubricated - there was no use trying to fix. I replaced the heater box can and everything with the black grille (PAW1215). The units can be programmed to 250, 500, 750, 1000, 1250 and 1500 watts. Since the salon is a huge area to warm up - I programmed it for 1500 Watts. In order to use the 12.5 amps (1500W) - I had to swap the salon heater breaker RED 10-amp with a WHITE 20-amp breaker. This heater really warms the salon really fast to the temperature that suits me and I've not had any breaker trip issues even on 30-amp service.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

MY 3988
M/V MMPOWRD
Poulsbo, WA
Last Edit: by Bay39.

Heater fans 19 Sep 2017 15:36 #6

  • Uncle Bob
  • Uncle Bob's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1721
  • Thank you received: 132
Often swapping a breaker for a higher amperage breaker requires larger gauge wire to be compatible. 12 gauge with 20 amps and 14 gauge with 10-15 amps?
The following user(s) said Thank You: Bay39

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1989 26' then 1994 32' now 2001 39'

Heater fans 20 Sep 2017 19:42 #7

  • Bay39
  • Bay39's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Poulsbo, WA
  • Posts: 65
  • Thank you received: 16
Thanks Uncle Bob for mentioning. Yes, I checked the schematics beforehand and the existing wire was 14/3 on each of the (3) heater breakers. Since they are dedicated lines only to each heater I am sure it is in compliance to handle the 12.5 amps.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

MY 3988
M/V MMPOWRD
Poulsbo, WA

Heater fans 20 Sep 2017 23:59 #8

  • Uncle Bob
  • Uncle Bob's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1721
  • Thank you received: 132
I wonder why there was a 10 amp breaker there. Mine are all factory 15 amps which matches the 14/3.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1989 26' then 1994 32' now 2001 39'

Heater fans 21 Sep 2017 01:01 #9

  • The Other Gary
  • The Other Gary's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1241
  • Thank you received: 128
Because the original heaters were set at 750 watts and no pic a watt option.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

"Adios Dinero"
1997 3988 with new 330 Cummins
Photo Credit: Whiskywizard

Heater fans 21 Sep 2017 03:22 #10

  • builderdude
  • builderdude's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • "THE FIX"
  • Posts: 4900
  • Thank you received: 808

Bay39 wrote: NortonRider is correct on how quiet and efficient these King Electric heaters are. I replaced the salon unit when the drum motor started to make noise and since they are permanently lubricated - there was no use trying to fix. I replaced the heater box can and everything with the black grille (PAW1215). The units can be programmed to 250, 500, 750, 1000, 1250 and 1500 watts. Since the salon is a huge area to warm up - I programmed it for 1500 Watts. In order to use the 12.5 amps (1500W) - I had to swap the salon heater breaker RED 10-amp with a WHITE 20-amp breaker. This heater really warms the salon really fast to the temperature that suits me and I've not had any breaker trip issues even on 30-amp service.


A 20 amp breaker should supply voltage to 20 amp wire, not knowing how your larger cruiser is wired, was the existing wire gauge good for the potential 20 amp draw?
15 amp breaker - 14 gauge wire
20 amp breaker - 12 gauge wire

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Dave
Edmonds, WA
"THE FIX"
'93 2556 5.7 Bravo II 2.0:1 18 1/4x19 P
.030 over-Vortec top end-part closed cooled
***The rebuild of my 2556***
www.baylinerownersclub.org/index.php/for...ansom-repair-my-2556
Last Edit: by builderdude.

Heater fans 24 Sep 2017 02:13 #11

  • yoeman
  • yoeman's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 87
  • Thank you received: 4
The wabasco heater has a fan switch the selects low and high but fan does not come on.
The previous owner added bridge heating and that fan works and I see a holding tank on the bridge that has no fluid in it.
I'm guessing this could be the fluid for my webasco.
I will add fluid and see if it produces heat.
Thanks

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

2001 Bayliner 3988 330 hp Cummins 6bta m3
950
Located in Blaine Harbour Marina

Heater fans 24 Sep 2017 15:31 #12

  • Uncle Bob
  • Uncle Bob's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1721
  • Thank you received: 132
You might have to purge any air out of the system if the header tank is dry. Often the fan is controlled by a relay that does not activate until the water temperature heats up. Takes five or six minutes. That doesn't explain why you can hear the bridge fan unless it is a different system, maybe from your engine heat.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1989 26' then 1994 32' now 2001 39'
Last Edit: by Uncle Bob.

Heater fans 24 Sep 2017 15:41 #13

  • yoeman
  • yoeman's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Junior Member
  • Junior Member
  • Posts: 87
  • Thank you received: 4
It may be a different system as the fan is controlled with a 3 position switch and it has a nice tank with a rad cap under the upper bridge.
How would I check the fluid level in the wabasco t 70 or does it use the engine coolant. 50/50 anti freeze?
The webasco is up in behind the star engine and 8 d batteries.
I select the heater on with a toggle switch on the panel and it shows green heater lights off after a minute and then the toggle light goes out but no heat.
Thermostats are selected to highest temp.
Previous owner is N/A for info.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

2001 Bayliner 3988 330 hp Cummins 6bta m3
950
Located in Blaine Harbour Marina

Heater fans 24 Sep 2017 22:00 #14

  • Uncle Bob
  • Uncle Bob's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1721
  • Thank you received: 132
Wabasto is not connected to the engine. If it is hydronic it has it's own header tank. If it is integrated with the command bridge, then the header tank is up top. If not, it might be under a bench in the salon. Of course If it is hot air there is no tank.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1989 26' then 1994 32' now 2001 39'
  • Page:
  • 1
Moderators: higgins_jrJim Gandee
Time to create page: 0.108 seconds
Powered by Kunena Forum