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Pilothouse upgrade 20 Jun 2017 00:00 #1

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Hi Guys

Every year I say that I am not going to spend any more serious money on the boat and every year I do it anyway. The pictures below are this years mod's.

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Pilothouse upgrade 20 Jun 2017 00:47 #2

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Looks very sharp, well done!

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Wow, looks great!! I'm guessing the upgrades include the floor, cushions and captain's chair?

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Pilothouse upgrade 20 Jun 2017 02:20 #4

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Have to shout out a BIG WOW! Beautiful job!

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Pilothouse upgrade 20 Jun 2017 21:53 #5

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YES, I replaced the carpet with Teak and Holly as well as the new Captain's Chair myself. I must throw a big Thanks to John Higgins for his advice as to what I was going to run into and mounting solutions for the Pedestal. It was a task! I removed the bench components and reinstalled them after they were redone.

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Pilothouse upgrade 20 Jun 2017 22:06 #6

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Wow! It looks great. Nice job!

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1991 57 Widebody Tollycraft "Solana"
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Pilothouse upgrade 21 Jun 2017 01:50 #7

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What flooring product did you use? It looks amazing! is it slippery with that gloss finish?

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Pilothouse upgrade 21 Jun 2017 18:49 #8

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Carlo, your work looks amazing as usual! I really would like to bolt my helm chair down but we board a lot through the port side PH door and bringing stuff in/out all the time it's really nice to move it out of the way. Also, I've talked with John about how difficult it is to bolt down :)

I like the cream colored vinyl on the starboard side area too. I just replaced mine with same color (blue) but really wanted it to match the cream color but got over ruled by the design committee. I'm construction crew so I lost... :) How is that color with glare on sunny days? That was one of my concerns with going to a lighter color.

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Pilothouse upgrade 21 Jun 2017 19:48 #9

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Beautiful job!

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Pilothouse upgrade 22 Jun 2017 03:03 #10

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Great choices, she looks fit and trim.

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Pilothouse upgrade 23 Jun 2017 04:45 #11

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Really really nice! Question: it looks like you have made the vinyl panels under the helm dash removable. Does that give you access underneath the helm?

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Pilothouse upgrade 23 Jun 2017 20:44 #12

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Flat out beautiful. I had wanted to do a change to cream on pilothouse seat coverings and a couple of local folks were quoting 2k 3k. Seemed crazy. Awesome job.

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Pilothouse upgrade 23 Jun 2017 22:44 #13

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Hi Guys

Thanks for the compliments. I will try to answer several questions raised below.

The total cost to recover the benches was $1,200 Canadian taxes included (that's about $50.00 American!). I made new bottom plywood pieces as the original ones had holes with leather straps which were supposed to provide extra comfort. The straps stretched which actually made it uncomfortable. we also added 1/2 inch of extra foam material over the old foam .Removal was no big deal once we figured out how the pieces were fastened.

I have not had the boat out yet on a sunny day so I don't know how the light colour will perform.

I used a urethane Gloss floor varnish 5 coats.

The vinyl panels on the face of the lower part of the console are just a pad over the fiberglass.

I used 1/4" 4 X 8 sheets of Teak and Maple sole. It runs about $350.00 a sheet here. It took two sheets

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Pilothouse upgrade 07 Jul 2017 01:24 #14

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The floor is gorgeous! We have a urethane finish on our teak and holly floor. What are you going to use to clean it and maintain it? I was advised by the PO that they used water/vinegar and someone on BOC also uses that. We have a new to us boat, so that is why I am asking. Thanks! :)

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Pilothouse upgrade 08 Jul 2017 19:49 #15

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We try and maintain the floor by regular vacuuming after each usage. We do occasionally wash the floor with Murphy's Oil soap and water.

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Carlo

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Pilothouse upgrade 11 Jul 2017 17:56 #16

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The upholstery and floors are picture perfect,
We did our pilothouse upholstery in Dec. While delighted with the outcome, I am envious about the price.
Who did you use?
Will be doing the salon this year and flybridge next year but at that price maybe sooner than later.
Thanks

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Pilothouse upgrade 11 Jul 2017 20:07 #17

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I used a local upholster. I got two quotes from local tradesmen and they were about $100.00 apart.

Carlo

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Pilothouse upgrade 17 Jul 2017 15:15 #18

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Very nice Carlo! I have a question related to the floor work. i am considering a similar treatment this winter and am curious to know how much levelling/smoothing you had to do once the carpet was removed in order to provide a consistent foundation for the plywood. Any additional tips also appreciated!

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Pilothouse upgrade 17 Jul 2017 22:09 #19

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The fiberglass floor under the carpet is generally flat and in very good condition. Getting to it is a problem. I was thinking that I could just pull up the carpet and do some clean up and be underway to put down the teak and holly. Well the PO, had all new carpet installed just before I bought the boat. There must have been a sale on super strength contact cement as I have never seen anything as permanently fasten as that carpet was. I tried taking a wide wood chisel and hammer to get under the carpet. That was a futile effort. I ended up going down to the local tool rental store and renting a super big hammer drill with a 4" wide blade tool. It looked like a jack hammer. I had a second person pull on the carpet as I jack hammered between the carpet and the fiberglass. It took 3 hours to get the carpet off the glue. At this point the contact cement is still there. I started all over again going over the whole floor with the same tool to peel the contact cement off the fiberglass. That took another 3 hours. At that point I took the drill back, closed up the boat and went inside for a shower and a beer. The next day, I scrubbed the entire floor with Varsol to get the remaining contact cement off the fiberglass. In the end the floor looked like nothing had ever been installed on it and it was easy to get the T&H to lay nicely. I screwed it down with tapered head screws rather than gluing. It is much easier to remove this way and it doesn't look bad.
The end result was worth the effort!

Have fun

Carlo

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Pilothouse upgrade 17 Jul 2017 23:01 #20

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Beautiful Pilothouse!

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Pilothouse upgrade 17 Jul 2017 23:05 #21

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That looks niiiiiiiice!

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Fantastic insight. Thanks Carlo. It is always so helpful to be able to walk in the steps of the "early adopters" who have already been there!

I will post pix when I do the job. I am thinking of trying to find the same reverse flooring that I had on my last boat Hylas 49' It was wide bands of bamboo and narrow bands of a dark wood I cant remember which.

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Pilothouse upgrade 12 Aug 2017 15:07 #23

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Alan,
We installed teak and holly Lonseal in the PH. The original carpet came up easily and the residual glue cleaned up with acetone as I remember. Took a couple of hours not the nightmare Carlos had. Fiberglass was flat and pretty smooth. We just lightly sanded, vacuumed and wiped down for prep. Lonseal was then epoxied.

The salon and stairs were another matter. The original carpet was glued and stapled. It was a bear to remove and clean up. It took days! Even then I had to lay 1/4" sanded plywood everywhere except the galley so the surface was smooth enough for the Lonseal. That was a lot of work. Almost like doing the floor twice after laying the teak and holly Lonseal. One of the toughest parts was getting all the holly lines to line up on hatched and stairs and PH. We layed the salon as one big piece then cut out the hatches. All the hatches and stairs are trimmed in urethaned teak epoxied and nailed. It all turned out great but was a LOT of work!

If I was to do it over, I would go with 1/4" thick individual planks or plywood with a butcher block look and forgo the teak and holly look. I would still trim the hatches with a complimentary wood. The hatches need to be trimmed anyway to close the gaps left after removing carpet. 1/4" X 1" teak filled them nicely. Then I would stain the floor a slightly darker color than the teak in the cabinets and urethane everything as one unit. This would help alleviate the need to have all the lines precisely lined up and I think would be much easier.

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I will echo what WOODSEA said about the condition of the stairs after removing the carpet. Both my staircases had irregular tread and riser dimension's and the condition of the wood that was used for the treads, risers and stingers was at best poor. I tore both stairs out and replaced everything with waterproof plywood and got the risers to the same size on the pilothouse stairs and as close as I could to the same size on the companion way stairs. It is almost impossible to get the lower stairs the same due to a bulkhead going under the stairs. I put in rope lights under the front lip of all the treads.

Carlo

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