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4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED 20 Nov 2013 00:40 #26

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That's it - you found it. It's a real bugger to get at when the settee is installed.

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I have removed most of the carpet and what I found underneath is...disgusting!
Soo much dirt but the build quality, or lack there of. I had prior knowledge of what to expect thanks to Carlo.
But the droop I could sense walking from front to back is more than I expected.
If you put a straight edge on the floor beside the end of the galley, the floor droops as it passes south of the engine room bulkhead.
Over a 12" distance, it drops 3/4"!!!


I have decided to go with 4 large hatches. The starboard hatches will cover what would have been a center hatch.
Two equally large hatches over the port engine will allow access to the house batteries which are parked outboard the port engine and currently inaccessible!
They must have used a team of squirrel monkeys to get them in there in the first place.

One other point to note. There is a hatch over the starboard fuel tank to access the fittings. AND the plywood around this small hatch is screwed down like it could be easily removed.
Of course I did not see this until after the carpet was removed. QUESTION : Do I need this small hatch at all? The fitting can be seen from the engine room entry, why would you need to access them?

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If you put a straight edge on the floor beside the end of the galley, the floor droops as it passes south of the engine room bulkhead.
Over a 12" distance, it drops 3/4"!!!

It’s a boat, nothing is square and nothing is symmetrical.

Four hatches? How about weight and maneuverability? I find the existing engine covers awkward to handle with the table and chairs in the salon. Plus you have to move everything around just to drop in and check oil. A stand alone center hatch may be better.

One other point to note. There is a hatch over the starboard fuel tank to access the fittings. AND the plywood around this small hatch is screwed down like it could be easily removed.
Of course I did not see this until after the carpet was removed. QUESTION : Do I need this small hatch at all? The fitting can be seen from the engine room entry, why would you need to access them?[/quote]

You need to keep this access to service the fuel lines and sending unit. I would make it bigger so it’s not so noticeable and gives you better access.


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Work has progressed very slowly but here are some pics of the wet bar rebuild.

BEFORE


AFTER


I used existing doors, 3 from the original wet bar,
and 1 from the other side of the salon.
The false drawer from the wet bar sink has become a real drawer.
I removed the sittee, so I had to relocate the hydronic fan/coil heaters.
One stayed on the back wall, the other got moved to the stairs.
A lot of wasted space behind the ice maker has been turned into storage space, and a heater!

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4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED - UPDATED WITH PICS 23 Jan 2014 20:07 #30

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I saw a sample of rock at Home Depot and loved it. I bought elsewhere because the other place could guarantee the colour and one week delivery compared to 4 or 5 weeks. A few finishing touched needed yet but lookin' good.



I have triple the storage underneath, triple the counter space avail. and the granite is so beautiful.
You have to see it to truly appreciate its beauty, portions appear to be clear glass, quartz and amber, just amazing.
I added the small shelf at the end because I did not want to relocate the electrical stuff
and I can use it like an end table when my new black leather sectional arrives!

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4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED - updated with pics 24 Jan 2014 07:07 #31

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that looks fantastic.

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4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED - updated with pics 13 Feb 2014 01:45 #32

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I am approaching this renovation work in phases.
Phase one is on going, strip, rebuild and refinish the floor. I got it stripped, over the next few days I'll have the stronger 1" plywood engine hatches sealed (S3 epoxy), then I'll be building up the surrounding floor to match.
Phase two is %95 done, blew apart the wet bar, tossed the sink, blender and ice maker, build a new, deep cabinet and added a granite top.
Phase three is also%95 done, blew apart the port side cabinet, added 7 " of depth, a motorized TV lift, open shelves on the right end for the components.
I finished the top with teak veneered ply, see next post.
Phase four will be new counter top, a new cook top and new sink in the galley. I have picked out the colour of marble I going to use there.
Here are some pics of what I did the last few days




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4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED - updated with pics 13 Feb 2014 02:53 #33

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Hey Timberwolf, I think someone must have boarded when you weren't looking and nicked your wide screen - it seems to have disappeared B) ..... Nice job!!

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4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED - updated with NEW pics 13 Feb 2014 04:23 #34

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Nice work!!!

You are doing a bang up job!

And hey, thats my boat on your TV!

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Nicely thought out upgrades. Hope you enjoy!

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ksanders wrote: And hey, thats my boat on your TV!

YES IT IS. I wondered if you'd pick up on that.
I sent you a pm last spring when I was shopping for a 4788,
so I have a couple of pics in my folders.

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4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED - updated with NEW pics 13 Feb 2014 14:14 #37

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Timberwolf wrote:

ksanders wrote: And hey, thats my boat on your TV!

YES IT IS. I wondered if you'd pick up on that.
I sent you a pm last spring when I was shopping for a 4788,
so I have a couple of pics in my folders.


Sure am glad you didn't buy mine. Thats something I would have spent a lifetime regretting.

I really like the marble.

Did you do the shaping of the marble yourseld, or did you farm that out to a countertop shop?

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Timberwolf, that is just gorgeous. I'm leading a Commodore's Cruise up to Princess Louisa Inlet/Chatterbox Falls this July. We will be in Vancouver for two nights. Any chance we could connect? The beverages are on me, especially if you'd show the Admiral and me your boat. I may regret it, as we will probably want to re-do our salon, but I think it might make us love our boat even more!

Did you give any thought to redesigning the galley island? I would be tempted to make it a little bigger to accommodate a dishwasher (lazy man that I am).

Please keep the pics coming.

Rob

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ksanders wrote: I really like the marble.

Did you do the shaping of the marble yourseld, or did you farm that out to a countertop shop?


A local shop has the granite/marble sheets stacked in their yard and encourages you to walk the yard, pick the exact sheet as colours do vary,
and even which corner of that sheet as I did since I used only a portion of the whole sheet. The cost of finishing the sheet is close to what the material costs.
In my case, they even cut in down in thickness from 1 1/4 to 3/4 ".
The finish is immaculate, very polished, exacting fit, I am quite impressed, enough so I'm going back for some Crema Marfil Marble for the galley. This marble
is already 3/4 ", one less expense and its actually less expensive than the two quotes I got for Corian.

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the dishwasher idea is great. I will put a dishwaher on my future 47!!. using them can result in much less water usage, compared to hand washing. hand washing sucks, so it tends to increase garbage waste. a DW: has Admiral approval (Admiralation?), uses less water, and reduces trash.

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robster_in_edmonds wrote: Timberwolf, that is just gorgeous. I'm leading a Commodore's Cruise up to Princess Louisa Inlet/Chatterbox Falls this July. We will be in Vancouver for two nights. Any chance we could connect? The beverages are on me, especially if you'd show the Admiral and me your boat. I may regret it, as we will probably want to re-do our salon, but I think it might make us love our boat even more!

Did you give any thought to redesigning the galley island? I would be tempted to make it a little bigger to accommodate a dishwasher (lazy man that I am).

Please keep the pics coming.

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DEFINITELY! I plan to cruise over to Vanhoover on a regular basis.
Any chance I could tag along on your Commodore's Cruise?

The cabinet on the end of the galley that originally housed a TV is currently empty.
At 26 " wide, it is big enough for a dishwasher, plumbing and power are near by.
Not on my list, yet, living alone, not many dirty dishes.
David.
P.S. When your Admiral sees the granite/marble counters I have, you're in trouble, just a warning!
Of course when you see the real leather covered recliners and the 46 " with 650 watts of surround sound....

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Hi Timberwolf
Your renovations look great so far - keep the pictures coming.

What did you purchase to replace your settees ? On the M490 we have the flex steel recliner L- shaped settee which can only be described as expensive crap. Unlike the earlier Bayliner settees, the flex steel ones have no storage whatsoever, yet still make lousy recliners.

We have been looking for a set of original Bayliner settees to re-cover or reupholster, or find a decent quality new sectional sofa that will fit the space. Any ideas?

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Hi Timberwolf,

Sorry if this is off topic, but I'm familiar with Maple Bay - where are you tied up? Or are you on the hook?

I'd like to stop by and say hello the next time I pass through - if that's OK?

Thanks,

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Merlin4087 wrote: Hi Timberwolf
Your renovations look great so far - keep the pictures coming.

What did you purchase to replace your settees ? On the M490 we have the flex steel recliner L- shaped settee which can only be described as expensive crap. Unlike the earlier Bayliner settees, the flex steel ones have no storage whatsoever, yet still make lousy recliners.

We have been looking for a set of original Bayliner settees to re-cover or reupholster, or find a decent quality new sectional sofa that will fit the space. Any ideas?

I went to "Uncle Albert's" here in Duncan looking for the "Ekornes Stressfree" line of furniture. I ended buying Canadian made El Ran sectional. More specifically I got a 'Cleopatra chaise with 2 armless recliners, think long chair with a love seat attached. I got 2 armless chairs to limit how much floor space they need. When I rebuilt the wet bar, I intentionally gained a few inches of length on the outside wall to fit the sectional. I have not taken delivery of the sectional yet, any day now! I gave away my original settee, its still here in the marina and last I saw it, in good shape.
You are quite welcome to drop by for a visit. I'll PM you my cell number, call and visit anytime, I'm always here.
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I tried something new tonight. I took a little video of my lift in action and uploaded to You Tube.
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that is neat!

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Does your boat have a center hatch for easy engine access. How about hatches on outboard sides of port engine. Neat easy mods while carpet is up if you have not done so.

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mmichellich wrote: Does your boat have a center hatch for easy engine access. How about hatches on outboard sides of port engine. Neat easy mods while carpet is up if you have not done so.

I have 4 new hatches that mimic the original ones, just longer.
The starboard hatches are long enough to cover the centre, so when they are removed, I have full access.
The port hatches when removed expose the house batteries the PO mounted outboard that main engine.
I was chatting with Merlin4087 yesterday and he confirmed an idea I had.
I want to move these house batteries from outboard the port main to a position forward near the bulkhead.
A neighbour of Merlin's has a 4788 and he mounted his batteries in the access area under the stairs, in front of the engine room bulkhead, near the water heater.
That moves the weight forward and more centered AND allows me to off load the lead ballast outboard the starboard main.
When I did a haul out for the survey last year, my boat was 40,000 pounds, a little more than the 29,900 Bayliner claims to be the dry weight.

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Timberwolf wrote:

mmichellich wrote: Does your boat have a center hatch for easy engine access. How about hatches on outboard sides of port engine. Neat easy mods while carpet is up if you have not done so.

I have 4 new hatches that mimic the original ones, just longer.
The starboard hatches are long enough to cover the centre, so when they are removed, I have full access.
The port hatches when removed expose the house batteries the PO mounted outboard that main engine.
I was chatting with Merlin4087 yesterday and he confirmed an idea I had.
I want to move these house batteries from outboard the port main to a position forward near the bulkhead.
A neighbour of Merlin's has a 4788 and he mounted his batteries in the access area under the stairs, in front of the engine room bulkhead, near the water heater.
That moves the weight forward and more centered AND allows me to off load the lead ballast outboard the starboard main.
When I did a haul out for the survey last year, my boat was 40,000 pounds, a little more than the 29,900 Bayliner claims to be the dry weight.


My house bank is in the starboard lazarette.

I cannot imagine having them in the "utility" room or blocking engine access.

Why not put the batteries there. They are out of the way, easy to service, easy to replace.
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ksanders wrote:
My house bank is in the starboard lazarette.

I cannot imagine having them in the "utility" room or blocking engine access.

Why not put the batteries there. They are out of the way, easy to service, easy to replace.

My starboard lazarette has a water maker in it, port lazarette has a diesel furnace.
I cut the floor open between the engines when I made my new hatches.
I have NOT use the utility room since.
Plus I like the better balance achieved, front to rear, by moving them forward.

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