Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: 4788 RENOVATIONS - MORE PROGRESS with NEWER NEW pics and a VIDEO LINK

4788 RENOVATIONS - MORE PROGRESS with NEWER NEW pics and a VIDEO LINK 06 Nov 2013 02:46 #1

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46
I am remodeling my 47's interior.
I did not like the bounce in the engine hatches or the dirty, smelly carpet, and since I live aboard, I need more storage/cupboard space, especially in the galley. Also I have been inspired by the pictures of Randyzon's galley, I love the way the Corian brightens the interior.
I have replaced the plywood in the engine hatches with stronger stuff (1") and bigger hatches so I can stand between the engines. Anyone else experienced bouncy floors? Then covered all the floors with Lonseal 'teak and ebony' vinyl.
I thought I was going to remove the garbage compactor and the stove/oven to add storage underneath and gain more counter space above. I cut the burner part of the stove off to reduce its height and kept the oven, now under the new counter, then added a two burner drop in glass cook top.
I have removed the wet bar sink, ice maker and blender, rebuild the cabinet to a full 2 foot depth.
Both of these areas have received Titanium Granite countertops.
Yes there will be lots of pics!
The following user(s) said Thank You: captc, Dracoss

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 03:44 #2

  • steelwrk1
  • steelwrk1's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • 2001- 4788 , Canada
  • Posts: 273
  • Thank you received: 66
Hello Timberwolf,

I have a 2001 with the factory installed corian or whatever countertops and they are real nice to clean up and easy on the eyes. Good upgrade and perhaps Mickey will chime in as he had his boat done last winter.

I have the bouncy floors and will just screw in an aluminum angle stiffiner if it ever gets too be too much flex. The bigger we are the more abuse the hatch assemblies get each year.

Seen lots of floor coverrings and I personally like the carpet best....not as easy to clean up...and does not look s good as the wood floors and I have to have it washed each year. I get a profesional carpet cleaner that comes in with his cleaning truck and does the whole boat for 120.00 . We have a small dog on board and live abord 5 -6 months a year. The carpet keeps comming back almost like new each year. I like the feel of the carpet on the cold mornings and the damp or wet feet on carpet as well...Just My opinion and in no way better than the next guys or yours.

The real reason I am replying to your thread is the Garbage compactor. I really like the pedal push on the bottom and it opens up on its own then and with your leg or knee you easily close it...no hands nessary. I too was searching for more kitchen real estate .
I found if I removed the garbage compactor and cut out the motor and top part, then reinstall it I was left with an original foot operating garbage bin, and placed a shelf on top.The shelf is the full width of the garbage compactor and quite deep.At the rear, and behind the remaining garbage bin,difficult to access but doable is another storage area the height of the garbage bin. Also the power that is there is good and has its own breaker ...Just food for thought

I never used my stove or microwave when I was looking for 2 legged deer after my divorce.........friends used to laugh as I said that was only storage space...the last 4 years a new Admiral has used those tools almost as much as I use the ice maker....just thoughts for you to consider as you outfit your boat.

The corner wet bar area is a huge space to play with....lots of unused space behind the ice maker. I almost never use my small bar sink, but the icemaker is an important part of my kitchen appliances.....just more thoughts...

Also think of your TV being located in front of your old stereo position..( on top of your ice maker- bar cabinet.) ...it is the best all around location to see from all positions when sitting in the salon....more food for thought

Owning a 4788 and being a little handy will have you shopping for better prices all the time. and the posibilities are endless.

Thank you for your post with the picture of the aft deck extended showing your ( PaPa ) Bear .....If I ever find a reasonable, capable fiberglass guy near me I would love to add 3 or 4 feet to my aft deck ......as `i said and your picture showes the posibilities are endless....

Good luck in your project and Thanks again for you post, I have to find the $$ to do that type of extension some day.
Best Regards,
Pete

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 04:10 #3

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46

steelwrk1 wrote: Hello Timberwolf,
Also think of your TV being located in front of your old stereo position..( on top of your ice maker- bar cabinet.) ...it is the best all around location to see from all positions when sitting in the salon....more food for thought
Pete

You know that long skinny cabinet on the port side of the salon, where the two arm chairs normally reside? I moved them out to the cockpit, and the space left behind is being rebuilt. I am moved the face, with the five cabinet doors, out 6" and the top, finished with teak, up 1 1/2". It will look like a long skinny teak dresser, except with the push of a button, up will pop a 46" TV!

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 16:04 #4

  • ksanders
  • ksanders's Avatar
  • Away
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 3338
  • Thank you received: 231
Please keep us updated with the progress!

Of all the projects you are undertaking, the one I like the best is the remake of the wet bar area. We never use the sink either, and adding some more space under the cabinets wont take away from the interior.

Some of the kitchen modifications I'm not as big of a fan of. I personally like the trash smasher. Space is a premium, and during a cruise trash piles up. The trash smasher minimizes that.

Same thing with the stove/oven. Yes, the cupboard space will be nice, but at least for us an oven is not optional.

Your TV solution sounds great. We removed the two chairs from the salon, and were looking for replacements. After a season of indecision I've decided I like the open space better.

As far as the flooring, I've thought quite a bit about vinyl flooring. The purists are probably cringing, but the same reasons people like vinyl flooring in their homes applies to boats as well. That said, after much debate we're keeping the carpet. For us, carpets sound deadening, and soft, non slip surface slightly outweighs the fact that it is a dirt attractor. we could go either way on the flooring issue.

Anyway, you have some great projects planned, pleasse post photos.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

KEVIN SANDERS
4788 LISAS WAY
SEWARD, ALASKA
www.mvlisasway.com
Last Edit: by ksanders.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 17:48 #5

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46

ksanders wrote: Of all the projects you are undertaking, the one I like the best is the remake of the wet bar area. We never use the sink either, and adding some more space under the cabinets wont take away from the interior.
Some of the kitchen modifications I'm not as big of a fan of. I personally like the trash smasher. Space is a premium, and during a cruise trash piles up. The trash smasher minimizes that.
Same thing with the stove/oven. Yes, the cupboard space will be nice, but at least for us an oven is not optional.
Your TV solution sounds great. We removed the two chairs from the salon, and were looking for replacements. After a season of indecision I've decided I like the open space better.
As far as the flooring, I've thought quite a bit about vinyl flooring. The purists are probably cringing, but the same reasons people like vinyl flooring in their homes applies to boats as well. That said, after much debate we're keeping the carpet. For us, carpets sound deadening, and soft, non slip surface slightly outweighs the fact that it is a dirt attractor. we could go either way on the flooring issue.
Anyway, you have some great projects planned, pleasse post photos.


See, see, this is why I posted, feedback from other 4788 owners! I have owned the boat just a couple of months and thus have not had time for any cruises. Your feedback is important for that reason, thanks Kevin.

I will rethink the 'Trash Masher', but my friend Gert, he's a chef originally from Switzerland, agrees with the convection microwave idea. he said that is what he has in his kitchen at home. On the carpet vs. vinyl issue, I agree with the sound deadening, and the carpet also helps hide imperfections in the substructure. One of the main reasons I am leaning towards vinyl currently is the amount of dust/dirt retained in the old carpet, YUCK! I have to dust almost daily to keep a clean ship! AND my new guard dog is having trouble adjusting to the new food, liquid poop is harder to pick up! Ya gotta see him, a solid black pit bull with the cutest face, floppy ears and all.

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 19:17 #6

  • robster_in_edmonds
  • robster_in_edmonds's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1476
  • Thank you received: 241
We removed the old TV and access doors and then I crafted a flat plywood mounting board for a new 32 inch flat screen TV with a storage cubby below it. I was going to use an articulating arm mount, but was discouraged from that idea when a Bayliner specialist told me that the weight of a boat pounding up and down on open seas would weaken the arm to where it would not support the TV at all. So it is permanently mounted to the plywood and it looks and works great.

That has opened up a ton of storage space for the kitchen, accessible through the left-hand-side kitchen cupboard door.

I'm trying to establish a good storage plan for the 4788. Lots of storgae under the VIP bed and the lower bunk bed, just not easy to access. Also figuring out best use of salon, pilothouse and flybridge storage. Love to hear other's solutions!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Rob Meldrum
Commodore, Edmonds Yacht Club (2014-2015)
"Miss Maui" * 1997 Bayliner 4788 * Cummins 330s

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 20:08 #7

  • Johnny Vintage
  • Johnny Vintage's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1740
  • Thank you received: 104
The 3 things on our 38 I would never get rid of.

#1 - an oven. I can't believe ***Gert the Chef*** would say all you need is a convection/microwave. Maybe that's why he had to get out of Dodge!! ;)

#2 The ice maker. To me, this is just as important as having a head on board. I agree the bar sink get's little use.

#3 The trash compactor. This was not an option on a 38 but the PO rebuilt the bar area. He added a trash compactor to that cabinet. Moved out the blender motor and put a blender on top. There's also a wine rack. It's one of the nicest bars I've seen on a 38. On a long trip the trash masher, is priceless. Two weeks and one squashed bag.

As far as carpeting, it for sure is good for sound deadening. I like the look of a wood floor too but it seems like you always end up putting down area rugs. Plus, you think you've got dust now, wait until you have wood floors. We did our house in the click flooring and I'm on my third Swiffer Vac. Have to vacuum the flooring at least twice a day.

Best carpet I ever had was orange sculpture back the 70's. You could barf on it and not see anything in the morning!! :sick:

Should have done carpet again. Plus, the difference in the sound at home is huge. First thing my wife did was put down one of those new shag rugs to knock down the sound of my surround sound system at home. Bigger, BIGGER, Louder, LOUDER!!

I keep telling my wife, " I DON'T need or want a hearing aid. I just need a bigger amp!!!"

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 20:27 #8

  • Pacrimrat
  • Pacrimrat's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • 1995 4788, PNW
  • Posts: 1308
  • Thank you received: 136
The attached photo is of another member’s floor mod.
He has removable supports across the large center floor hatch for support

I agree with you about carpet. It holds the dirt and creates its own gases and fiber dust. Plus I’m constantly cleaning carpet tufts out of the bilge pumps. But I’m not sure what to replace it with. There are pros and cons to all coverings. I’ll be interested in seeing yours when you get the vinyl down.

One area I would like to take advantage of if under/outboard of the bar sink. If you remove the access panel in the back/starboard side of the cabinet you will see there is a lot of room behind it. It would take a lot of effort to extend the cabinet out closer to the hull and at the same time make the access panel larger for future maintenance.

Note: If you don’t already know it, the carpet runs under everything in the salon including the cabinets. When I redo my floor I intend to remove at least the couch.

We removed the TV and use that area for galley storage. I’ve installed a projector and 6 foot screen, surround sound 12” woofer. I don’t have a flat screen to contend with underway or when would be thieves’ look in the boat. My boat neighbor has lost two 32” flat screens in his OA. But in all honesty he doesn’t secure them very well.

It’s not in the galley area but if you hinge the access hatch to the back side of the PH helm it gives you lots of storage area for bulky items like bedding. This is located in the master stateroom ceiling. I carry an 8 foot telescoping ladder to get into the area and it stores up there when not in use.

Our Princess gave up this summer while we were out. The oven switch quit. The Admiral uses the oven a lot so we bought a gas Force 10 range. I have it in and working but still have to complete the electric shutoff and trim. What a difference in cook ability, we should have done this year’s ago.
It will be nice to cut down on generator time next year. Note: if anyone needs a Princess for parts PM me.

I considered removing the trash compactor when I first got the boat. But with the extended cruising we do it’s become a vital appliance. It really depends on how you use the boat. If you’re at marinas most of the time where you can get rid of your trash it’s not that necessary.

Chris

This message has attachments images.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 20:54 #9

  • HarleyDawg
  • HarleyDawg's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Senior Member
  • Senior Member
  • Posts: 232
  • Thank you received: 5
Might also be worth checking out Granite Transformations as well... I had my galley done by them - not cheap, but an alternative to another not cheap option.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.


M/V ANTINOUS

1992 3888 / Hino 210's (W04C-TI)
follow me on twitter @MVAntinous

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 06 Nov 2013 22:03 #10

  • Papa Charlie
  • Papa Charlie's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 2520
  • Thank you received: 165

Timberwolf wrote:

steelwrk1 wrote: Hello Timberwolf,
Also think of your TV being located in front of your old stereo position..( on top of your ice maker- bar cabinet.) ...it is the best all around location to see from all positions when sitting in the salon....more food for thought
Pete

You know that long skinny cabinet on the starboard side of the salon, where the two arm chairs normally reside? I moved them out to the cockpit, and the space left behind is going to be rebuilt. I am going to move the face, with the five cabinet doors, out six inches and finish the top with a teak. It will look like a long skinny teak dresser when done, except with the push of a button, up will pop a 46" TV!


Timberwolf,
Can you send me or post the location of the TV mechanism? I have been trying to find a mount for my TV. I have the 4588 and presently the TV resides on top of the Stbd cupboards. With nothing but windows there I have no wall to mount it to and wanted to be able to swing it out for viewing anywhere in the salon. I wanted to find a mount that would allow it to be mounted to the top but cannot find one yet. Most of the auto lift systems are on the pricey side and not justifiable.

We thought about removing the compactor, but it is way to useful for limiting the number of trips to the trash as we are also live aboards.

As for the ice maker we are considering removing it and replacing it with a small freezer to expand the space or maybe a small frig. Most of the units we have looked at would require enlarging the opening but that doesn't bother me.

We have the stove top with a convection microwave. The large cupboard space that was created below that is great for pots and large stuff storage. I will be installing a pull out tray in there to make it easier to get at the stuff in the back. There is narrow cupboard on the right of that opening that will be modified for a pull out spice and can good rack too.

Looking forward to seeing your project as it progresses.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Patrick and Patti
4588 Pilothouse 1991
12ft Endeavor RIB 2013
M/V "Paloma"
MMSI # 338142921
Last Edit: by Papa Charlie.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 07 Nov 2013 05:32 #11

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46

Papa Charlie wrote: Timberwolf,
Can you send me or post the location of the TV mechanism? I have been trying to find a mount for my TV. I have the 4588 and presently the TV resides on top of the Stbd cupboards. With nothing but windows there I have no wall to mount it to and wanted to be able to swing it out for viewing anywhere in the salon. I wanted to find a mount that would allow it to be mounted to the top but cannot find one yet. Most of the auto lift systems are on the pricey side and not justifiable.
Looking forward to seeing your project as it progresses.

I stated starboard side, I meant port, but rebuilt that same cabinet to make it 6" deeper and fit the TV inside.
NEXUS - pricy, American made - www.tvlift.com/compact-tv-lift.html
TVLIFTCABINETS - not so pricy, made in China - www.tvliftcabinet.com/lift-mechanism
The following user(s) said Thank You: Technomadia

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 07 Nov 2013 05:45 #12

  • mmichellich
  • mmichellich's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 7230
  • Thank you received: 380
We just used aluminum square tubing (1X1/2 inch) in the middle of each hatch to make them sturdy for heavy me. You can get easy engine access by adding a center hatch, easy to do. We used Granite Transformations to redo all counter tops and tables last winter.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Started boating 1965
Bayliners owned: 26 Victoria, 28 Bounty, 32, 38, and 47 since 1996

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 07 Nov 2013 15:18 #13

  • Papa Charlie
  • Papa Charlie's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 2520
  • Thank you received: 165

Timberwolf wrote: I stated starboard side, I meant port, but I will be rebuilding that same cabinet to make it 6" deeper and fit the TV inside.
NEXUS - pricy, American made - www.tvlift.com/compact-tv-lift.html
TVLIFTCABINETS - not so pricy, made in China - www.tvliftcabinet.com/lift-mechanism


Thank you. Looks interesting.

Our counter had been modified by a previous owner to accommodate an older tube type TV. I am going to install an electric fireplace on a track system in that space and build storage behind and to the side that would be accessible when the unit is slid out. But may have to rethink it if I incorporate this device.

This image is hidden for guests.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Patrick and Patti
4588 Pilothouse 1991
12ft Endeavor RIB 2013
M/V "Paloma"
MMSI # 338142921
Last Edit: by Papa Charlie.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 07 Nov 2013 16:56 #14

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46
Hey Papa Charlie, that actually looks good, the TV is angled for optimum viewing pleasure, speakers built into the bottom for less clutter.
I have six speakers to find a home for, and since the smaller speakers deliver a level of sound that is very directional, some thought needs to be put into them placement. I have already ungraded the two front and center speakers, the original ones were too small for use with my electronic drum kit, blew one out the first day I brought the kit home.
My thoughts behind using the lift are securing the TV while underway, and optimum viewing while watching, and not an eye sore when not watching, that is being able to take in the view while at anchor. Plus its cool! A hidden TV like on the million dollar yachts!!!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 07 Nov 2013 22:39 #15

  • Carlo
  • Carlo's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Senior Member
  • Senior Member
  • Posts: 130
  • Thank you received: 15
Timberwolf

I finished a major reno to my 4788 salon and galley this year. I have a whole bunch of pictures that might be of assistance in your planning. If you send me your e-mail address at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. I would gladly send them to you.

Cheers

Carlo

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 08 Nov 2013 00:50 #16

  • mmichellich
  • mmichellich's Avatar
  • Away
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 7230
  • Thank you received: 380

Papa Charlie wrote:

Timberwolf wrote: I stated starboard side, I meant port, but I will be rebuilding that same cabinet to make it 6" deeper and fit the TV inside.
NEXUS - pricy, American made - www.tvlift.com/compact-tv-lift.html
TVLIFTCABINETS - not so pricy, made in China - www.tvliftcabinet.com/lift-mechanism


Thank you. Looks interesting.

Our counter had been modified by a previous owner to accommodate an older tube type TV. I am going to install an electric fireplace on a track system in that space and build storage behind and to the side that would be accessible when the unit is slid out. But may have to rethink it if I incorporate this device.

This image is hidden for guests.
Please log in or register to see it.


Right where the TV is in the photo I have a recliner.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Started boating 1965
Bayliners owned: 26 Victoria, 28 Bounty, 32, 38, and 47 since 1996

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 08 Nov 2013 01:28 #17

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46

Carlo wrote: Timberwolf

I finished a major reno to my 4788 salon and galley this year. I have a whole bunch of pictures that might be of assistance in your planning. If you send me your e-mail address at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. I would gladly send them to you.
Cheers
Carlo

Hey Carlo, I got pics from you back in August(Thanks). They were pics of the floor mostly. Did you do more renos since?
I do have a questions for you. What I had thought to do with the center hatch idea is make it part of the starboard engine hatches. That is they are currently 30 X 36, make them 30 X 54 so they cover the center between the 2 sets of engine hatches. Part of the reason for this is I want to make both sets this size. I have a set of house batteries parked outboard of the port engine ( by the PO). Accessing these batteries currently is beyond a PITA, its impossible. Four oversized hatches opening an area of 60 X 108. This also reduces the number of seems/edges to finish/deal with.
So the questions, what supports the center portion of the floor? In your pics, all I can see is insulation. Is it a weak 2 X 4 on edge? Are there 4 supporting poles (2 each side)? Can these poles be adjusted or is there a way to reinforce or brace the supporting beams?
My current floor drops between the back wall and the engine room bulkhead. If you walk from the galley are to the center of the salon, you feel a significant droop immediately after the bulkhead. I am hoping to be able to raise the floor's supports and maintain them by replacing the 4 posts with taller ones. Any suggestions and insights will be appreciated, thanks, David.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 09 Nov 2013 21:04 #18

  • Carlo
  • Carlo's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Senior Member
  • Senior Member
  • Posts: 130
  • Thank you received: 15
Hey Carlo, I got pics from you back in August(Thanks). They were pics of the floor mostly.

David,

You are correct about most of the pictures are about the floor, however if you look at the galley pictures you will see that I replaced the garbage compactor with a 3 drawer storage unit. We now use a stand alone kitchen plastic garbage can that sits in front of the oven. It works great and the storage units make a significant improvement.

Did you do more renos since?

More changes planned for next spring.

I do have a questions for you. What I had thought to do with the center hatch idea is make it part of the starboard engine hatches. That is they are currently 30 X 36, make them 30 X 54 so they cover the center between the 2 sets of engine hatches. Part of the reason for this is I want to make both sets this size. I have a set of house batteries parked outboard of the port engine ( by the PO). Accessing these batteries currently is beyond a PITA, its impossible. Four oversized hatches opening an area of 60 X 108. This also reduces the number of seems/edges to finish/deal with.

I took a different approach. I take the engine hatches off once a year maybe twice, where as I am into the area between the engines via the new hatch weekly for a variety of reasons. To remove the starboard hatch you have to move the table some where. I replaced the two engine hatches over each engine with a one piece hatch that I beefed up so there is no more floor flex. The center or new hatch is easy to remove and handle as it is 20 " X 60 ". You now have 2 less hatch joints to deal with.
As to the stringers that the hatches sit on, mine are quite strong. As I remember they are about 3" wide and about 4" deep. They both have a 1" vertical stainless steel tube in the middle providing support. I had no flex in these stringers and with the material that I made the new hatches of I get no flex in them either. Yes the new double hatches are heavy, but they are manageable and for the few times that I remove them it is no problem.


So the questions, what supports the center portion of the floor? In your pics, all I can see is insulation. Is it a weak 2 X 4 on edge? Are there 4 supporting poles (2 each side)? Can these poles be adjusted or is there a way to reinforce or brace the supporting beams?

I have one support pole on each side. It is non adjustable, but can be easily removed and replaced with a different size. If you take a bar style wood working clamp and reverse the fixed end, you can use it as a spreading or jacking device to take the pressure off these poles. They are held in place by a few screws on each end and the weight of the floor above.

My current floor drops between the back wall and the engine room bulkhead. If you walk from the galley are to the center of the salon, you feel a significant droop immediately after the bulkhead. I am hoping to be able to raise the floor's supports and maintain them by replacing the 4 posts with taller ones.

I now have no deflection in my Salon floor and have easy access to the engine room area.

Carlo

Any suggestions and insights will be appreciated, thanks, David.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last Edit: by Carlo.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 09 Nov 2013 21:13 #19

  • check737
  • check737's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 1169
  • Thank you received: 39

Timberwolf wrote: I am about to remodel my 47's interior. I do not like the bounce in the engine hatches and since I live aboard, I need more storage/cupboard space, especially in the galley. Also I have been inspired by the pictures of Randyzon's galley, I love the way the Corian brightens the interior.
So, I am going to replace the plywood in the engine hatches with stronger stuff and more or bigger hatches so I can stand between the engines. Anyone else experienced bouncy floors? Then cover all the floor with Lonseal 'teak and ebony' vinyl.
I am also going to remove the garbage compactor and the stove/oven to add storage underneath and gain more counter space above as I will replace the stove/oven with a two burner glass cook top(no oven for now, maybe a convection microwave later). I am also going to remove the wet bar sink, ice maker and blender, rebuild the cabinet to a full 2 foot depth. Then both of these areas will receive Corian countertops while I'm at it. I got a quote from a local contractor that specializes in Corian, $3,318 plus tax for the kitchen "U" only, $1,540 plus tax for the wet bar replacement. At those prices, I think I'll shop around a bit! I still want the Corian, but I also want a better price.
Yes there will be lots of pics!


I had an induction 2 burner cook top on my 2859.
Nice unit and the top never gets hot to the touch.
Also is temperature controllable

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

My mistake, your fault
The only high maintenance accessory on a boat should come in a bikini
Last Edit: by check737.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 10 Nov 2013 19:44 #20

  • Papa Charlie
  • Papa Charlie's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 2520
  • Thank you received: 165

Timberwolf wrote: Hey Papa Charlie, that actually looks good, the TV is angled for optimum viewing pleasure, speakers built into the bottom for less clutter.
I have six speakers to find a home for, and since the smaller speakers deliver a level of sound that is very directional, some thought needs to be put into them placement. I have already ungraded the two front and center speakers, the original ones were too small for use with my electronic drum kit, blew one out the first day I brought the kit home.
My thoughts behind using the lift are securing the TV while underway, and optimum viewing while watching, and not an eye sore when not watching, that is being able to take in the view while at anchor. Plus its cool! A hidden TV like on the million dollar yachts!!!


We have two more speakers that are built into the base of the settee. On the 4588 the settee material the speakers are hidden from view behind the material and project through it.

I like the idea of hiding the TV and the cool factor of having it rise up from the counter is... well, cool. But I would like to make use of the space in that area for an electric fireplace for heat and aesthetics. A friend installed one in place of the TV on a 37 Bay and it was great. The heater out performs the stock Bayliner electric heaters at the same energy consumption.

By making it a slide out drawer, I will retain the storage space along side and behind the fireplace unit. They are pretty inexpensive. Talking with the higher end motor home dealers they take the units that are sold in the stand alone fireplaces like at Lowes and remove the fireplace insert. Along with the storage I plan to surround it with a smoke glass like material. Above the fireplace insert I will hide the Direct TV and DVD player behind the smoke glass. The unit is about 7" deep and of course smaller than the dimensions listed for the cabinet.

Electric Fireplace

As I mentioned, we have the stove top and the space below has opened up a lot of storage.

This image is hidden for guests.
Please log in or register to see it.



I plan to install a pullout drawer/shelf there to make it easier to access and organized the stuff in the back. This is the Pull Out Drawer

I also have a narrow compartment to the right of this opening that I will install a pull out spice/storage rack like this. Spice Rack

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Patrick and Patti
4588 Pilothouse 1991
12ft Endeavor RIB 2013
M/V "Paloma"
MMSI # 338142921
Last Edit: by Papa Charlie.

4788 RENOVATIONS ABOUT TO COMMENCE 11 Nov 2013 02:14 #21

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46

check737 wrote: I had an induction 2 burner cook top on my 2859.
Nice unit and the top never gets hot to the touch.
Also is temperature controllable

That is exactly what I plan to install.

Oh, I did another cut and paste pic to help me see my plan.
There you can see the cork floor in the galley, teak&ebony in the salon
and the teak cabinet with a cut out simulated on the port side.
Quartz colored counter in the galley and black, sparkly stuff for the new look wet bar.

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED 19 Nov 2013 01:06 #22

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46



I did not want to have to remove the settee unless necessary, partly because I wanted to keep the work load as low as possible but mostly because of the heaters contained within. It became quite obvious that is necessary once I had some carpet removed. It was a big job but the heaters were not too much of a headache. Sure is UGLY back there.

This message has attachments images.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED 19 Nov 2013 01:38 #23

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46



Impossible to see from the pics, but... I got three samples from Lonseal. I was expecting to use the 'Teak and Ebony', that is until I saw the samples. Two boating friends went through the exact same thought process I did. The 'Teak and Ebony' matches the cabinets, teak facing with black frames and kick boards. BUT, the 'Teak and Holly' comes two ways, no finish as is the 'Teak and Ebony', AND "GLOSS"!
The gloss is a factory applied urethane and it adds depth and colour making it more realistic in appearance. The no finish pieces look like plastic in comparison. If you are at all considering a vinyl floor, get the samples from Lonseal, you will be amazed by the GLOSS version of the Teak and Holly.

This message has attachments images.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Last Edit: by Timberwolf.

4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED 19 Nov 2013 03:41 #24

  • Pacrimrat
  • Pacrimrat's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • 1995 4788, PNW
  • Posts: 1308
  • Thank you received: 136
While you have it exposed you might want to see if you can improve the access to the top of the holding tank. As I recall the existing hatch is a bit small and not directly over the fittings you may need to get to.
Chris

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

4788 RENOVATIONS HAVE COMMENCED 19 Nov 2013 04:11 #25

  • Timberwolf
  • Timberwolf's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Premium Member
  • Premium Member
  • Posts: 361
  • Thank you received: 46

Pacrimrat wrote: While you have it exposed you might want to see if you can improve the access to the top of the holding tank. As I recall the existing hatch is a bit small and not directly over the fittings you may need to get to.
Chris

Thanks for that tid bit, but could you be a bit more specific? Where is the small access currently?
I saw a small hatch, about six inches square, under the settee on the starboard side and through it I can see what looks like a sending unit and a couple of wires. Is that it?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

1996 4788 PILOTHOUSE
CUMMINS POWERED
"BEAR ESSENTIALS"
Maple Bay, Vancouver Island
LINK TO RENO's THREAD:
www.baylinerownersclub.org/~bayline1/ind...ics-and-a-video-link
Moderators: higgins_jrJim Gandee
Time to create page: 0.172 seconds
Powered by Kunena Forum