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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 17:22 #1

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 17:28 #2

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Scary how in the heck did that happen flat seas and a clear day makes you wonder .....Brad

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 18:21 #3

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I don't know, but I will be willing to bet that both captains are looking at their career light going very dim.

Vessel masters are rquired to deviate from the "rules of the road" to avoid a collision.

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 18:25 #4

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Capt. Boatnik;72009 wrote: I don't know, but I will be willing to bet that both captains are looking at their career light going very dim.

Vessel masters are rquired to deviate from the "rules of the road" to avoid a collision.


Just curious about this but from how they hit, it seems clear (but I could be wrong) that the large ship should have given way and the smaller ship had the right of way? Also, wouldn't we need to know what kind of radio was operational and any whistle/horn signals that were exchanged.

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 19:05 #5

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Well, the problem is that you can't see the surrounding area from these pics.

They were both jockeying to be next in line for take-out at the launch ramp at the end of the day on Sunday.

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 19:07 #6

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Responsibility

"(a)Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply with these Rules or the neglect of any precaution which may require by ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special circumstances of the case.
(b) In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a departure from these Rules necessary to avoid immediate danger."

This is a quote from the lastest Navigation Rules COMDTINST M16672.2D.

What this does is put the ultimate resposibility of collision avoidance on both vessels. That is all I was saying.
In the recreational boating world I have seen skippers press the "Right of way" in a crossing or overtaking situation more than once. On the water there is no right of way. Only standon and burdened vessels. The reasons for this collision is most likely a series of small mistakes creating one big one. It could have been mechanical, poor communication or poor visibility at the time of the incident (fog) or a combination of them all. I don't know. The responsibility is shared by both.

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 19:12 #7

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brk;72019 wrote: Well, the problem is that you can't see the surrounding area from these pics.

They were both jockeying to be next in line for take-out at the launch ramp at the end of the day on Sunday.


Tokyo Bay is very busy. The lines are very long. I wonder if he has a Hilux or a Tundra to pull it with?:arr

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 19:26 #8

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Bummer...looks like they almost missed each other!

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Collision of the day.... 25 Sep 2007 20:11 #9

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Stratocaster;72031 wrote: Bummer...looks like they almost missed each other!


yeah, that's what you call a "near miss" :(


Reading the Cargo Law site offers some very interesting perspectives, espeically like the one that suggests that all bridge participants interviewed after a collision swore and were accurate in their reading of the instrumentation that showed they were five miles apart at the time of impact!

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Collision of the day.... 26 Sep 2007 01:03 #10

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I love looking at their web site. It keep me from ever thinking the big boys don't make mistakes.

It also makes me realize that they are dangerous and to stay away from them.

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