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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 06:31 #1

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Hello to NW BOC'ers

May have opportunity to work in Seattle
In short, would like to know if there is live aboard opportunities in the immediate area of Seattle.
If possible could you also add and good and/or bad points.

We are from NE and have no experience with Seattle so would appreciate any thoughts

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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 07:43 #2

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My first question is work where in Seattle? Just like renting an apartment or buying a home, the commute is a huge factor. Seattle and its surrounding cities can be a real challenge getting from one to another so if you are moored near the locks and you job is actually in West Seattle, you are going to be in your car for an hour each way a lot of work days. If you job is actually in Edmonds, the port there has limited liveaboards. As far as the good and bad parts, I would be reluctant to moor in Rainier Beach, but most of threat is more about parking and pump out.
Give us a better idea of where the job is located and we can give you a better idea. Also, what kind of boat you are thinking of. Is your job one where you would live aboard full time or sporadically. That kind of stuff.

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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 13:43 #3

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Thanks for the reply

The office is located in downtown Seattle - On Union Street - between the waterfront and I-5

You hit on one of my issues about the commute - don't want to get into a long daily grind of car travel

RE the boat, we have a Bayliner 38 now, but would plan to buy something out here.
Think the 38 would be the minimum size for a full time year round liveaboard , was thinking something in the 45 foot range would be good.

Thanks in advance for addition responses

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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 15:16 #4

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I lived in the bellevue side of seattle. (recently moved to cinci).
short answer: it is very difficult to obtain live aboard moorage
in the lake union area. Also, parking is a major problem in the
marinas around lake union.

Its a two pronged problem. liveaboard permission and car
parking. getting rid of your car would help.

if you don't already live there and moore there, you are a thousand
people low on the waiting list.

I firmly believe that one could bribe their way to the top of the list.
that would be expensive and some are not willing to play that game.

If you have a Mega yacht and pay 5 to 10 grand a month you
can get liveaboard (and parking will be solved because your
own private pier will also be your parking).
at the below-megaYacht-level, you are competing against
thousands of others who want to do the same thing and they
already live and moore their boats on the fresh water side of the locks
and they are not yet liveaboards.

What you want to do is common and logical: i.e. it is reasonable desire.
but, others are onto that idea too.

I extensively looked at doing it in seattle and NYC and it is hard to do
unless you are willing to pay big money (and you're still competing
against others who have big money in a big-money territory).

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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 15:23 #5

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another idea that I researched heavily:
live on bainbridge island and take the ferry to seattle for work.

if you aren't physically fit, the walking part of this idea may
pose a problem.

it has some car related logistic problems (such as getting
TO the ferry terminal on bainbridge with all the other folks).
The cars cause traffic jams. If you could live near the ferry
terminal and walk: that is gold.

i'm suggesting a small apt on bainbridge and mooring there
and taking the ferry. what I looked at was buying a house
with a dock and taking a ferry. there are few homes for sale
on bainbridge that have docs or mooring balls.

it is a tough nut to crack.

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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 15:52 #6

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A way to make this work at a reasonable cost: get a super, super, TINY
apt or boarding arangement and as big a boat as practical. make the
boat a plush palace. you'd be there most of the time (it is a really cool
environment on the water down there on lake union). spend a few
nights a week at the tiny apt. you'd get mail at apt (or at a private PO
box that is away from marina). the marina's concept of whether or not
you are liveabord is a mix of factors: spending too many nights on board,
being too visible on a continuous basis at the marina (car parking is a
problem - they don't want your car there all the time), trying to get or
receive mail and shipments AT the marina (a no-no). Having lots of
friends visit often also a red flag. Basically, your role as a liveaboard is
that you are an active ambassador of the marina and you keep an eye
out for the marina and the other (regular) slip owners. you need to be
a trusted entity for the marina in order to have this role. all that adds up
to TIME that you are in the game.

lots of folks are there in front of you in line already. if not explicitly for
the few liveaboard slips..... then, for the best location slips. people
get into the marina in typically the worst slips and then go on waiting
list for "better" slips.

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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 16:14 #7

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Bremerton and Port Orchard on the west side of Puget Sound both have excellent marinas with very east access to ferries. Walking onto the ferry and either walking to the office or riding the bus up the hill avoids the car commute; moorage is also cheaper on that side of the Sound.
We liveaboard full time in Tacoma (on Aspen1888's previous boat, a 3818), and love it. From here, Express buses or the Sounder trains offer alternatives to car commuting. Liveaboard moorage anywhere near downtown Seattle is very hard to find and IMHO exorbitantly expensive.
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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 16:28 #8

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Aspen hit the proverbial nail on the head. Also, just the regular cost of moorage on Lake Union is significant- like big house payment. Ther may be alternatives in the Ballard area along with bus transportation to downtown. That would include Shilsole Marina that is outside of the locks. You are probably going to be looking at the public transportation system anyway, just make your circle a little larger. I'm not sure about Elliot Bay Marina, also in salt water.
My daughter works at 3rd and Stewart and has parking included, which also means she ends up doing errands that really should be done by others, but they bus in, so she has to do it. It can take her as long to get to the freeway, she lives north, as the rest of the trip home. It's not impossible, just challenging.

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Seattle Live aboard 14 Dec 2016 17:10 #9

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Have many friends liveboard full time at our home port Foss harbour. Waiting list is more than 30 at this point, 3 to 10 years waiting list.
Up the waterway, not even one spot moved during the past 3years at Delan marina.
More than 10YR waiting list around Seattle I would imagine.

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Seattle Live aboard 15 Dec 2016 05:15 #10

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Thanks to all that responded.

The short answer seems to be to not expect ability to get a liveaboard slip near downtown.
Thanks for the thoughts on getting a slip and small apartment - might work - but worried about the total cost of the arrangement.
Will look at suggestions for moving way from the city.

If any one has any other additional thoughts would be much appreciated.

Thanks

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Seattle Live aboard 15 Dec 2016 06:41 #11

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The Seattle area gets cheaper quickest if you're south of the city. I have a friend who lives aboard a 50 on Lake Union. He doesn't pay that much. I can find out more if you like. Also, Des Moines Marina to the south has a waiting list for most sizes, but is reasonably priced. I have another friend that has a 30 ft covered slip there but currently has no boat.

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Seattle Live aboard 15 Dec 2016 08:38 #12

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Yes, there are marinas, mostly on Lake Union, within the city, that have live-aboard moorage. Also, city owned Shilshole Marina on salt side of the locks. May be hard to find, but there are floating homes and barge homes also rented on Portage Bay and Lake Union. You might mention if you have a boat to moor or looking to rent one. Some condo marinas where slips are individually owned sometimes for sale, however somewhat limited for living aboard. Cost typically $1500-2000 per foot plus monthly HOA fees and real estate tax. My 32 foot slip next to Queen City Yacht Club is $67 dues and $12 tax / month. Generally, closer to the locks, higher the price. Hope this helps.

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Seattle Live aboard 15 Dec 2016 08:47 #13

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By the way, almost forgot, there is a live aboard, around 40 feet, immaculate for sale at secure Leschi Marina North on Lake WA. Plenty parking, and bus in front to downtown; restaurants, shopping groceries, Starbucks etc, within a three minute walk. Asking for boat about $45-50K monthly moorage $350/mo includes water, electricity, and free pump out service comes to your boat. Boat is broker listed. I am moored there so somewhat familiar with the situation. Hope this helps.

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Seattle Live aboard 16 Dec 2016 11:36 #14

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Wow

Thank you all for the great responses.

Ned - thanks for the info on a specific liveaboard opportunity - It really does help - if things move quickly I will follow-up - just the type of situation that I was thinking about.

The opportunity for me is still not definitive - but one of the key issues is being able to know if living aboard would be an opinion.
All the ideas seem to point to it is possible - but will require some leg work - and also choice on where to keep the boar.

One of the comments was planning to pick a location away from the City - that is possibility so long as I don't have to drive into he City.

As we get more close to knowing if the opportunity will become real and the timeframe I will again seek your comments and help.

Thanks Much

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Seattle Live aboard 16 Dec 2016 17:10 #15

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Leschi would be good. I used to like Park Shore. Not sure what it's like now, haven't been in there for a few years.

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Seattle Live aboard 20 Dec 2016 15:56 #16

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RDOIII wrote:
We are from NE and have no experience with Seattle so would appreciate any thoughts

RDO


This site may help you contact someone in the live aboard community that could point you in the direction of information, etc. May be helpful. Good luck!
http://www.liveaboards.org/

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Seattle Live aboard 28 Dec 2016 15:31 #17

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Cool area...most expensive cruise a home I've ever seen though.

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Seattle Live aboard 28 Dec 2016 20:31 #18

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Drewhaas gave great advice. I'll supplement it a little. Bremerton Marina (Port of Bremerton) has available slips plus the advantage of walking right to the ferry (approximately a 1-block walk). The ferries have Wi-Fi so you can relax on your commute to downtown Seattle. Port Orchard is just across the way from Bremerton, so you would need to take the water-taxi to the Bremerton side, which would add about 30 minutes to your commute each way.

PC Pete mentioned Edmonds, where I live and where we are both Past Commodores. The Port is walking distance to the commuter train and the commute is 30 minutes each way. Unfortunately there are no slips currently available for 40-plus-foot-long boats.

If I were looking to liveaboard and work in Seattle, Bremerton would be my first choice.
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Seattle Live aboard 26 Mar 2017 01:27 #19

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Good advice Robster. Bremerton will be getting the new fast ferry in July 2017 which will cut the Bremerton~Seattle commute by half!

I am following this closely as I own an apartment complex in Port Orchard which is connected to Bremerton by the foot ferry. I am finding that in my new vacancies potential tenants are starting to come from Seattle, whereas in the past they were all retired or working locally in Port Orchard.

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Alan Teed wrote: Good advice Robster. Bremerton will be getting the new fast ferry in July 2017 which will cut the Bremerton~Seattle commute by half!

I am following this closely as I own an apartment complex in Port Orchard which is connected to Bremerton by the foot ferry. I am finding that in my new vacancies potential tenants are starting to come from Seattle, whereas in the past they were all retired or working locally in Port Orchard.


Wasn't the last fast ferry shot down because of excessive wake? What's different about the upcoming ferry?

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Seattle Live aboard 26 Mar 2017 02:45 #21

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Grabbed from a online article:

Kitsap Transit, after spending $13 million in mostly federal grants to design, build and test a low-wake ferry, is bringing high-speed service back. Scientists who monitored testing, including while the Rich Passage 1 transported passengers for four months, gave it the go-ahead. A September 2013 report by Golder Associates concluded the ferry, at 60 trips per week, wouldn't alter beaches any more than nature. More sailings could have cumulative effects, however, and should be monitored, it said.
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Seattle Live aboard 28 Apr 2017 01:22 #22

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Interesting.

I have been working on my Apartment complex the last few week which is waterfront. The waterfront consists of flats at low tide for about 400 yards then the channel to Bremerton. I have noticed that the wake from the small Port Orchard foot ferry is actually greater on the flats than the wake from the Bremerton car ferry. I will be interested to observe the new fast ferry in action and any wake difference.

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Surprised this hasn't come up as a suggestion but check craigslist. You just need to change the city to Seattle at the bottom of the page. There are a few boats for sale right now in live aboard slips.
Not sure of your budget. But might be an option and probably the easiest route to get a liveaboard slip. Also place your own ad as wanted and wait.
I got my last two slips that way despite every marina being full when I called.

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