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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 10 Sep 2017 20:32 #1

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Hello everybody,

I am just about to get a 2455 Ciera 2001 and I was wondering if anybody has experience with wakesurfing on one of these. Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks, G.

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 10 Sep 2017 21:33 #2

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Gerd1ff wrote: Hello everybody,

I am just about to get a 2455 Ciera 2001 and I was wondering if anybody has experience with wakesurfing on one of these. Any advice is appreciated.


Sure. Set your OD to about 8 degrees up from all the way down. Increase your throttle until the hull plows but never quite gets on plane. Once you start plowing, you can raise it a little more to create a bigger wave. However, once you start to get a big spray off the prop, you've gone too far. Adjust it back down.

We used a long pole tied crossways to launch with, but I swear I drank more lake than was under my board! Lots of fun, and many laughs!

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 13 Sep 2017 07:49 #3

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I didnt think wake surf would be possible. I am really excitrd now. thanks! will work on ny profile. what does OD stand for?

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 13 Sep 2017 09:41 #4

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OutDrive. I used to slalom ski behind my Searay 268 Sundancer. 100 foot towline, and the wake would still launch me over the moon!

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 18 Sep 2017 08:52 #5

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What was roughly the speed that you went for to create a decent wake?

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 18 Sep 2017 09:19 #6

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I can only guess for your boat, 12-15 mph. Trial and error is your best answer.

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 18 Sep 2017 15:23 #7

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Gerd1ff wrote: I didnt think wake surf would be possible. I am really excitrd now. thanks! will work on ny profile. what does OD stand for?


Think of it this way. Speed and OD angle use the dead rise and hard chines to create the actual wave, and too much speed AND too much or too little OD angle will take that wave away.

From what I recall from my MUCH younger years, the height of the wave is more important than the speed you are traveling. While you can strive for both, your hull will dictate the maximum of what those are. If set correctly, you should be able to start surfing at around 8kts.

The dead rise on your boat is the pointed V angle of your hull. (If your hull was flat, it would be very difficult to create enough wave to surf on.) Since you have lots of angle (dead rise), the more you raise the bow, the bigger wave you create, for it is the dead rise that forces water out the sides of your boat rather than under it. This is what creates the wave.

Once you get your boat plowing, (the point where it is pushing the water, long before it starts climbing the wave) you can start raising the OD. As you do, you can add more throttle, just know, a 24' 3800lb deep V boat plowing water will suck a ton of fuel the faster you go, and it is speed you don't really need to surf.

Now we get into hard chines. Those are the flattened areas running fore and aft that come off the dead rise of your hull. Since those hard chines are designed to lift the stern, the more speed across them, the more they will counter your hull's ability to plow. But if you set your speed and OD angle properly, the hard chines will help you create an even bigger wave.

As you play with the throttle and OD trim as you plow, you should quickly see where your boat creates the biggest wave. Again, wave height is more important than speed, .....but if you can get the best of both, you are in for a wild ride!

Final point, and it is a valid one: If you don't already have one, I strongly suggest you get a fuel monitor. Only then will you learn that your best sweet spot to surf with also needs a well padded wallet. If that is a concern, best you bring lots of friends with you, insist they sit as close to the stern as possible, and that they share the fuel expense; that's what we used to do.
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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 29 Sep 2017 03:22 #8

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That was all great advice, thank you. I am on business in Europe but will return in a week. Really exited to try all of that out.

Should I also consider buying this product maybe? What do you think?
It does not look like there is a lot of risk with the return warranty. However I am not sure if I could do damage to the boat...?!

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 29 Sep 2017 12:01 #9

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Wakesurfing behind a boat with a standard outdrive is usually not recommended. If you fall forward you could get a face or hand full of prop. Volvo came out with the forward drive for wakesurf applications for this reason.

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 01 Oct 2017 23:14 #10

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Surfing the boats fallowing wake should only be done from a boat intended for that purpose. Most of those boats will be direct drive or V drive boats where the prop is located several feet forward of the stern. I've been on a similar boat where the wake surfer will simply step from the swim platform onto the surf board & fallowing wake while the boat is under way, it's only 3-5 behind the transom, way to close for a standard stern drive IMO
Wake boarding via a tow rope is a different story.

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 02 Oct 2017 02:07 #11

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Back when I did it, it was off a 16' boat with a 75hp outboard. We never surfed anywhere near the boat because of the length of boards we were using. Instead, we'd plow the boat so we could drop back onto a larger part of the wave that was actually quite smooth.

With the new shorter boards and the tricks they do, I can see how an outboard or I/O would be a huge issue, especially with the size of the waves some of those boats can create.

This is more like what we used to do.

I just found this video, and I have to tell you, this looks like a blast!

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Wake surf behind 2455 Ciera 02 Oct 2017 18:06 #12

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Please don't try to wakesurf behind an IO, for the reasons mentioned above. Really unsafe for several reasons. Wakeboard, ski, tube, wakeskate all you want. You want to surf, you need to go buy the right boat.

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I was going to buy this Mission producthttps://www.amazon.com/MISSION-Boat-Gear-Wakesurf-Solution/dp/B01LKR394U/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1503585942&sr=8-1&keywords=mission+boat+gear+delta&linkCode=sl1&tag=bon_boating-20&linkId=c32721e7012799b9f9fc3434ff817a47
but when I wrote them they replied NOT to surf behind a stern drive/outboard: too close to the prop.

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