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Calling Download_Complete 09 Feb 2010 05:06 #1

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Found a boat for you. 24' Bay in MINT condition.

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/boa/1592343423.html

I would have emailed you but I thought this would be great for the whole club to scorn :)

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Calling Download_Complete 09 Feb 2010 13:22 #2

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According to his description, he sunk 45,000 into her in the past 2 years?? Now that's just too bad. Hope he isn't expecting to get even half that back.

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It could be an awesome boat. Hard to tell. I'm always amused at sellers who leave mention of the year model out of their ads. Like it's unimportant?

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The old boy better have his dealing shoes on with Matt and at least another $45000.00 to stick in it to bring it up to par for Matt. :kidding :D
Good Morning Matt Truefully I hope you like it.
If not I still have Kevins # for that 2850 contessa in Riverdale marina,That was a lot of boat for the $2850.00 he was asking.

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Days away;416848 wrote: The old boy better have his dealing shoes on with Matt and at least another $45000.00 to stick in it to bring it up to par for Matt. :kidding :D
Good Morning Matt Truefully I hope you like it.
If not I still have Kevins # for that 2850 contessa in Riverdale marina,That was a lot of boat for the $2850.00 he was asking.


A 2850 for $2850? PM me what you know :)

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Calling Download_Complete 09 Feb 2010 15:16 #6

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Un. Real.

Well from what I can tell, its none other than a 1986 2450 Ciera Sportcruiser, the very boat I just sold. And it clearly has a 350MAG in it. Frankly I would have been much more interested if it was all-original like my old one.

Its not something I would buy (and certainly not something I would spend $16,000 for - good luck getting a loan on that!), but best of luck to the seller. Its, uh, interesting. :P

Thanks Pat. I think I am probably going to make a move on that Cobra up in Oshkosh. I uncovered a whole bunch of info on it from when I called in the fall and I have a feeling its going to be a solid boat. We're going to be up there on Saturday afternoon if you feel like getting together.

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Calling Download_Complete 09 Feb 2010 17:03 #7

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He's not willing to spend 22k on shipping but he is willing to lose 29k on his 45k "investment " :confused:

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s Keller;416917 wrote: He's not willing to spend 22k on shipping but he is willing to lose 29k on his 45k "investment " :confused:


The boat is worth no more than $5,000 on a good day, as is. It doesn't matter how much money he pours into it. I dumped 2 grand into mine in upgrades and maintenance and I didn't see a dime for it.

Think about it....for 16 grand, there's a TON of other boats out there you can buy that, despite his upgrades, are nicer and newer than this. I loved my 2450, very unique boat, but at the end of the day, it was a 23 year old Bayliner bowrider with a plywood floor.

And buying newer means you can get a loan on it. No bank will write a loan on a $16,000 '86 bayliner bowrider that books out at 5 large.

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Download_Complete;416929 wrote: The boat is worth no more than $5,000 on a good day, as is. It doesn't matter how much money he pours into it. I dumped 2 grand into mine in upgrades and maintenance and I didn't see a dime for it.

Think about it....for 16 grand, there's a TON of other boats out there you can buy that, despite his upgrades, are nicer and newer than this. I loved my 2450, very unique boat, but at the end of the day, it was a 23 year old Bayliner bowrider with a plywood floor.

And buying newer means you can get a loan on it. No bank will write a loan on a $16,000 '86 bayliner bowrider that books out at 5 large.


Plus it's ugly... whats up with that yellow?! If it's worth $5k it's only because of the fuel-injected mag.

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ishiboo;416935 wrote: Plus it's ugly... whats up with that yellow?! If it's worth $5k it's only because of the fuel-injected mag.


Thats the problem with these older "restos". The people who do them either lack money, taste, or both. :)

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Seaquel;416817 wrote: According to his description, he sunk 45,000 into her in the past 2 years??



I'd like to know where the $45k went? I think it would be hard to spend that kind of money on a 25' BR even if someone else was charging you for labor to completely rebuild it.


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The boat is worth no more than $5,000 on a good day,

Now you know how to put a price on another persons boat !! :hammer. Wow Matty do you have ESP on what sells at the time ??. Listen here young man !! you have alot to learn !!. Some boats bring in more $$$ than others. My Sea Ray is still worth $18.000 after 22yrs. :arr

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Wayne's World;416959 wrote: Now you know how to put a price on another persons boat !! :hammer. Wow Matty do you have ESP on what sells at the time ??. Listen here young man !! you have alot to learn !!. Some boats bring in more $$$ than others. My Sea Ray is still worth $18.000 after 22yrs. :arr


Wayne,
Hey Buddy I just checked Searay out on NADA low book is $12.885 after 27yrs so I think I will stick another $5000.00 in it and call it home.
Gotta Love the Darkside(Luke I am your father) HAHAHAHA I crack myself up :D:D:D

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Wayne's World;416959 wrote: Now you know how to put a price on another persons boat !! :hammer. Wow Matty do you have ESP on what sells at the time ??. Listen here young man !! you have alot to learn !!. Some boats bring in more $$$ than others. My Sea Ray is still worth $18.000 after 22yrs. :arr



Apparantly he forgot that I research the hell out of things and RECENTLY SOLD MY 2450 (same boat as the one in the ad) and I am QUITE aware of its current value, thank you veddy much.

TO paraphrase FIght Club...and now, for a question of etiquitte. Do I keep quiet or do I humiliate him with an avalanche of facts?

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Calling Download_Complete 09 Feb 2010 20:30 #15

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Simple. Keep quiet..not worth getting into it.
Back on topic:

Thats the problem with these older "restos". The people who do them either lack money, taste, or both

or common sense! I simply don't understand why people would sink that kind of dough into a boat thats worth no where near what they are spending :ouch

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Yep he's all hat and no cattle.



Some will get it.

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Seaquel;417028 wrote: Simple. Keep quiet..not worth getting into it.
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or common sense! I simply don't understand why people would sink that kind of dough into a boat thats worth no where near what they are spending :ouch


Had he done nothing else but install the 350MAG/B3, I would say that adds SOME value. How much is up to conjecture and the value of the person buying it. Personally I would have repowered the engine and DP'd the original Volvo, but thats me. Clearly he put quite a bit of money into the powertrain.

The problem is Opportunity Cost. At what point does his asking price put me into a newer, similarly powered boat? I'd say for $15,000 I can bring home a damn nice bowrider, possibly even an older Cobalt.

Hell there is a gorgeous 1989 3255 Avanti in Madison WI that is CHEAPER than this guy's boat, and frankly I'd rather have that.

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Download_Complete;417035 wrote: Had he done nothing else but install the 350MAG/B3, I would say that adds SOME value. How much is up to conjecture and the value of the person buying it. Personally I would have repowered the engine and DP'd the original Volvo, but thats me. Clearly he put quite a bit of money into the powertrain.

The problem is Opportunity Cost. At what point does his asking price put me into a newer, similarly powered boat? I'd say for $15,000 I can bring home a damn nice bowrider, possibly even an older Cobalt.

Hell there is a gorgeous 1989 3255 Avanti in Madison WI that is CHEAPER than this guy's boat, and frankly I'd rather have that.


There's a couple nice 3255's around here. I know of at least one in Milwaukee and at least one (they used to have 2) at the marina you're going to Saturday :)

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ishiboo;417043 wrote: There's a couple nice 3255's around here. I know of at least one in Milwaukee and at least one (they used to have 2) at the marina you're going to Saturday :)


That happens to be the one I am referring to. ;)

I still want a 2955 Avanti or a (THE) 2850 Contessa, but the issue for me is the hassle of doing the kind of boating I want to do with that size of a boat.

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Oh yeah, reread the ad....$22,000 to ship??? Where the hell is he shipping it to, Greenland?

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Download_Complete;417045 wrote: That happens to be the one I am referring to. ;)

I still want a 2955 Avanti or a (THE) 2850 Contessa, but the issue for me is the hassle of doing the kind of boating I want to do with that size of a boat.


Once you get something that size and slip it you'll never look back :) The enjoyment of just being able to drive over and get on the boat and go is worth any pricetag. Plus being able to make lunch, take a leak and stay out overnight... that's how we're supposed to live :)

Getting stuck in one particular area is not as bad as it sounds.

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Download_Complete;417045 wrote: That happens to be the one I am referring to. ;)

I still want a 2955 Avanti or a (THE) 2850 Contessa, but the issue for me is the hassle of doing the kind of boating I want to do with that size of a boat.


Matt, you are wise to consider this issue. Slipping a boat of this size is much easier, so you have to decide how much hauling, etc. you are willing to endure.

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missrobyn;417224 wrote: Matt, you are wise to consider this issue. Slipping a boat of this size is much easier, so you have to decide how much hauling, etc. you are willing to endure.


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