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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 04:17 #1

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So I ended up acquiring a 87 Ciera 2750

It needs a bunch of TLC

It has twin engins V8's I belive are Volvo 305's.

I cant find a 2750 anywhere with twin engines anywhere for a comparative price. Got any ideas what one sells for in decent working order? (his way I don't spend to much on the fix up)

I also need to get a trailer for it what would this thing weigh?
My guess is about 7k lbs.

I have seen a few posts about brochures if anyone has info on the 87's 2750's I would love a link or a PDF or any info you got.

http://yfrog.com/j9outboardsj
http://yfrog.com/59portqyj


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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 04:22 #2

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it has twin engins V8's I belive are Volvo 305's.

Welcome to BOC :arr. Do you have any pics of the engines & outdrives ??

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 04:26 #3

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avatorlc;410856 wrote: So I ended up acquiring a 87 Ciera 2750

It needs a bunch of TLC

It has twin engins V8's I belive are Volvo 305's.

I cant find a 2750 anywhere with twin engines anywhere for a comparative price. Got any ideas what one sells for in decent working order? (his way I don't spend to much on the fix up)

I also need to get a trailer for it what would this thing weigh?
My guess is about 7k lbs.

I have seen a few posts about brochures if anyone has info on the 87's 2750's I would love a link or a PDF or any info you got.

Thanks

Are you sure its a 2750? A 2850 maybe? Can you post a picture.
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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 04:30 #4

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The title says 2750 haven't measured it...

I have a pick of the out drives none of the engines yet. Will get those up tomorrow.

thanks for the quick responses.

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 04:41 #5

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dmcb;410861 wrote: Are you sure its a 2750? A 2850 maybe? Can you post a picture.
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I don't think it could be an 87 2750. If my memory is correct the 87 2750 has the same beam as my 2450, 8'. Kind of difficult to squeeze twins into that sized boat. When I bought my 2450 I strongly considered the 2750 and none of the ones I looked at had twins.

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RGrew176;410867 wrote: I don't think it could be an 87 2750. If my memory is correct the 87 2750 has the same beam as my 2450, 8'. Kind of difficult to squeeze twins into that sized boat. When I bought my 2450 I strongly considered the 2750 and none of the ones I looked at had twins.


If I recall, my Contessa says 27.5 ft for the length on the title. It's a 2850 and the OAL is about 31.5 in real life. If you have twins, this is probably the boat you have. Post your HIN and someone can decode it I'm sure. For a trailer, you will need a triple. Your total gross weight will end up in the 10-12k range I'm sure.

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 14:44 #7

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Titles are FREQUENTLY wrong, and as we have seen here in past threads, you need a phD to figure out Bayliner's marketing back in the 1980s.

I HAVE SEEN one 2750 with twin engines. I believe it was twin 4 cylinders, but twin engines were theoretically available in every Bayliner cruiser above the 2450 back then. And again, God only knows what Bayliner decided to do on the production line.

If your boat is wider than 8 foot 6 inches, then it is not a 2750. With twins and it being an '87, its most likely a 2850 Contessa. If you have VOlvo Pentas, its also NOT a 1987 (with one minor exception). Please post pics and I can verify exactly what you have.

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 14:58 #8

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The 2750 was the narrow beam cruiser, the 2550 and 2850 were the wide beam boats, 9 1/2 and 10 foot.

As far as a trailer, you want to go larger/over kill so to speak. Venture makes a tri-axle trailer rated at just under 9000lbs and for boats up to 30'. That would be the smallest I would go with, personally.

When considering weight, you will want to factor in fuel, water and gear into the equation as well.

And welcome to BOC! When you start the projects remember to post pictures!

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 16:06 #9

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For reference here is a pic of a 1987 2750 that I picked up last fall which is in process of being refurbished. Been sitting since 1988. This boat has a single 5.7 omc. Im thinking yours is like a 1986 model year, but looks very similiar to mine... On the rear transom usually upper right hand corner there should be a hull number in the gelcoat and the last two digits are the year of the boat.

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bwmarine;410983 wrote: For reference here is a pic of a 1987 2750 that I picked up last fall which is in process of being refurbished. Been sitting since 1988. This boat has a single 5.7 omc.

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You mean to say this boat has been sitting idle for 22 of its 23 years. Did the owner loose the keys?:kidding

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 16:31 #11

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Wow - look at the reg sticker - 1989! If it was stored indoors the whole time, probably in real nice shape, although the fuel must be like glue. Almost like finding a classic car tucked away in a barn for a few decades...

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 16:37 #12

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avatorlc;410856 wrote: So I ended up acquiring a 87 Ciera 2750

It needs a bunch of TLC

  1. It has twin engins V8's I belive are Volvo 305's.
  2. I cant find a 2750 anywhere with twin engines anywhere for a comparative price. Got any ideas what one sells for in decent working order? (his way I don't spend to much on the fix up)
  3. I also need to get a trailer for it what would this thing weigh?
    My guess is about 7k lbs.
I have seen a few posts about brochures if anyone has info on the 87's 2750's I would love a link or a PDF or any info you got.

http://yfrog.com/j9outboardsj
http://yfrog.com/59portqyj


Thanks

  1. I see that these are Volvo Penta. This is a plus and Volvos have been known to show up in some '87 hulls.
    I also see the double exhaust relief outlets on the shields...... so the engines are V-8's as you say.

  2. I cant help you on that. What did you pay for the boat?

  3. Steer clear of multiple torsion axle trailers, IMO.
    Look for a leaf sprung suspension with rocker arms. Better load sharing!

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 16:39 #13

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Some older guy had bought it new and used it twice and from there it sat for 20 some years under a lean-to.
The guy passed away and whoever took care of the property ended up taking it to a junkyard that a friend of mine owns. He called me and told me he had a boat for me.
The boat was actually in pretty good shape except there was lots of water damage to the upholstery/carpet and the wood structure for the vberth and dining area which had to be rebuilt. The front windows and stbd side windows were leaking. Had to replace all switches, horn, charger, cockpit seats ect.
But for 1500.00 I could not go wrong :D, I will end up putting 3 - 4 thousand into it to get it into good usuable shape. The trailer by itself is worth 1500.00

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 17:05 #14

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Minor caveat:

Some 1986 boats came through with Volvo power, 1987 colors, and possibly even 1987 HINs.

I have even seen new 1987 hulls (meaning, new designs for 1987 like the 2150 and 2450) come through with remaining-stock Volvo Penta AQs on them.

I call these anomolies 1/2 year models.

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Just saw the pics. Wow. What a project....

It is a 1986 2850 Contessa Desigers Edition. The Volvo drives and side windows are the giveaway to the year, and, well, I can tell just by looking at it that its a Contessa. These boats, in good shape, with twin 305s generally sell for $10,000 and up.

Junk ones go for $5,000 and less.

This one needs...well...help.

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 27 Jan 2010 18:45 #16

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Quiz: Did anyone notice anything about the drives.... particularly the lower units?

Tony L and Ken W, no giving it away, now!:)

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Here are some new pictures and some specs...

I plumb-bobed from the tip of the boat not counting the anchor thingy and to the back not counting the swim platform and came up whit
26.8" long
9' 6" wide at the back.

They are defiantly v-8 they say "Volvo Penta 225D" on them

I notice I only have one alternator I'm assuming that only need 1

I would like to take out the engines fix them up rebuild if needed and cleanup the entire engine compartment. The aft birth needs a makeover as does the head. the rest just need some TLC.

being unemployed right now I got nothing but time :)

What do you think worth fixing up?

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Questions reguarding a 1987 Ciera 28 Jan 2010 04:13 #18

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I'd run like hell.

These are great boats in good shape. This thing has been ninja rigged from day one, and you're unemployed on top of
it?

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Now now now...... don't let Matt scare you off here!
We've seen worse... we've seen better..... we've seen some crappy looking boats turn into real beauty's also! :)

First and foremost, examine the structural condition of the transom core. This is a big ticket labor item if it must be replaced.

What are your skill levels?
What is your would-be budget?
You never have revealed what you paid for it!
Don't be embarassed..... it would help us give you an evaluation.

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I'd run like hell.

Matty, That's because you want a brand new 18yr to 22yr old boat for nothing !!. How about buying a old girl that needs some help and fixing it yourself !!. Then we'll see where you stand then ?? :). Its really nice telling somebody that YOU think their boat is junk :hammer. No!! this is not a PERSONAL attack.:)

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2850Bounty;411076 wrote: Quiz: Did anyone notice anything about the drives.... particularly the lower units?

Tony L and Ken W, no giving it away, now!:)


They have those fin thingys on them----?

Reed

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Wayne's World;411312 wrote: Matty, That's because you want a brand new 18yr to 22yr old boat for nothing !!. How about buying a old girl that needs some help and fixing it yourself !!. Then we'll see where you stand then ?? :). Its really nice telling somebody that YOU think their boat is junk :hammer. No!! this is not a PERSONAL attack.:)


Oh really?

I have looked at more boats than you can even fathom, I know what normal wear and tear looks like.....and I know there are great boats out there. I am in negotiations to buy at least one or two. IN particular, there is a fine example of a 2850 Contessa with twin engines ON THIS BOARD, with thousands of dollars of repair reciepts and high end upgrades. The boat still looks new.

I also know that it doesn't take too many repairs on a turd to equal the cost of a pristine example. And my time is too valuable to be spent on a boat that was spray painted so badly they didn't even bother to mask off the transom shields. For Christs sake, Wayne, the ignition keys are stuck into plywood!! Did you even LOOK at the pics?

The man is unemployed, which means he has no money coming in, and a Contessa in ANY condition is going to require money. This one is a project, which will require a LOT of money.

He is asking our opinions. My opinion is to run. Yours may be different, but then again, on what judgement that opinion is based is open to a great deal of conjecture. Frankly I would have appreciated you simply asking me why I feel the way I do rather than make a pointed post.

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The first item I would address is budget. What am I willing to invest in this boat.

Then I would look at drive train. Are the engines and drives mechanically sound. Regardless, some money will need to be put into them, bellows etc. I would not do anything to them yet, as far as repairs, even if it minor; just determine if they are sound or not.

From there I would determine how solid the hull is. Transom, stringers. If they are solid w/o rot you are ahead of the game. If the structure is in need of serious repair this is where you need make a decision. Repairing/replacing rot is a very time consuming process that needs to be done correctly.

The 2850 is a great boat, very roomy. I feel even better than the 3055 as far as space...I just like how the 3055 looks. With twins you could have quite a find.

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Ditto Phil's comment!


The first post by the OP says: So I ended up acquiring a 87 Ciera 2750
I read "acquiring" as "I now have this in my possession!"
So, as I read this...... it's a done deal, guys!

Let's help him rather than embarrass him.


R&Jonthebay;411382 wrote: They have those fin thingys on them----?

Reed

Nope! You've probably not seen what I am talking about.
Tony and Ken W have though.

Reed, here's a hint: It changes the X dimension on twin engine hulls.

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I'm looking at that and have to agree with "run away" myself...
Trim tabs are shot, red overspray on everything...If the wood on the dash is that bad imagine the parts you can't see...

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