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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 18:35 #1

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Hello all. We just bought our first boat (2007 Bayliner 245 Bowrider) last year and we are still getting our feet wet. I have been told by some folks that I should have an "Uh-Oh Kit" (actually, they called it something much more colorful) on the boat. I wanted to check with the experts to see what you would recommend I include in that kit. What tools? What spare parts? What else besides duct/duck tape? Thanks for all your valuable insight.

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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 18:36 #2

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We are boating on the Alton Pool on the Mississippi, so any suggestions specific to river boating or the Mississippi in particular would be especially helpful. Thanks again.

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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 18:46 #3

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the mississippi is muddy! ;D

VHF Radio is a must, I would highly recommend GPS, its a river yes but fogg can really make things a nightmare on the river!

Other then that, I bring a toolbox with a variety of things. Always good to have a little of everything.

Being aware of the river, and knowing its dangers is the best thing. I went out with friends a few times and learned parts of the river before venturing on my own. Rivers are fairly tricky compaired to lakes because of floating debris(especially after a storm!!), the current always flowing, specific channels to stay in, and of course the lovely underwater hazards. When in doubt ask the old timers around the docks ;)

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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 18:50 #4

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That is a loaded question bound to have several ideas of what would be necessary.

Some will depend upon your type of engine/drive set up.

This list is by no means to be a do all, cure all, just some suggestions.

1) Spare prop and hub if necessary. Install kit as well.
2) Spare belt, or belts if running multiple.
3) Fuel filter
4) Gear lube
5) Funnel (s)
6) Water proof flashlight
7) JB Weld
8) Engine oil
9) A good set of tools
10) Ignition parts. The parts will depend upon the systen you have.
11) Depending upon cooling system, impeller, perhaps more.
12) Always carry extra lines and a spare anchor.
13) Carry more life jackets than number of people on board
14) Carry a water tight bag necessities such as house keys etc.
15) And as you mentioned, Duct tape.

I need to get back to work, or I would keep going. Others will chime in.

Welcome, Happy Boating!!

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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 19:23 #5

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Insteada;404779 wrote: Hello all. We just bought our first boat (2007 Bayliner 245 Bowrider) last year and we are still getting our feet wet.


Turn on the bilge pump.

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist!):)

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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 19:32 #6

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Since the spare tool box was pretty much covered.

I'll add, SeaTow or Towboat US, don't leave home without it. IMO.

Boating on a river it's not if, but when, are you going to hit something. Swapping the bent prop still might not get you home.

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I know they were talking about beer:kidding extra sunglasses incase you drop your in the water (uh no that never happened to me) kidding aside all mentioned is great advice after all if you break down you cant get out and walk some folks have kicker motors Good luck:arr PS add a good anchor with plenty of rope with a good spare anchor and rope you will snag and lose one eventually when you do break down your gona drift and some days drift fast

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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 19:49 #8

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Spare set of boat keys hidden someplace on boat.

Don't know about your river. But I'm not diving in mine searching the bottom for a lost set. I'm also not relying on that key float device to actually work.

At least 1 spare bulb for each of your running lights.

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New river boater looking for advice 13 Jan 2010 23:35 #9

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Dear almost brand new boater on the alton pool.....


Please...........If you have not already done so get the whole family into a safe boating course this winter.

The course as general as it is, will still go over stuff like what you have just asked about in this forum. And guess what? a heck of alot more stuff will be talked about for your benefit.

Go to www.usps.org to find a squadron in the St Louis area that is putting on safe boating course this winter.

Also get a Vessel Safety Inspection this spring (VSC). also on the website

This will tell you what the Coast Guard wants you to have on your boat or they fine $$$$$ you. New boater excuse doesn't go far:)

Again the benefits are enormous for you and your family.

Hope this helps:)

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New river boater looking for advice 14 Jan 2010 00:05 #10

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Great to see another member from Missouri on here! Not much advice I can give you about boating on the river, other than watch for trees heading down bound during higher stages.

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New river boater looking for advice 14 Jan 2010 15:48 #11

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A good chart that shows all of the wing dams is a must!

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It depends on your level of expertise at doing mechanical work dosent' it? I would say:
just basic tool kit
a basic First aid kit
extra oil and fluids
a spare set of keys (as mentioned by someone)

Beyond that more important is a VHF radio, towing insurance and a Boater safety course.
Good luck. Have fun, and be safe.

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New river boater looking for advice 14 Jan 2010 21:41 #13

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Yes my friend learned 1st hadn 2 years ago that on the mississippi you dont just travel down the middle of the river, as the wing dams like to go as far as the middle of the river, just a foot or so underwater.

Know where teh wing damns are if you have any that far south!!!

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Captain Ron;405156 wrote: A good chart that shows all of the wing dams is a must!


Capt. Ron knows of what he speaks, but I have been told the charts are approximate. They will give you an idea where they might be. You will learn to read the water. See the ripples where the wing dams are or the water is shallow. Some tell me but again, I don't think it is 100% true that the buoys are at the end of wing dams. Other things charts will tell you is where there are stump fields. Those can be fun places on the river too if you are not aware of them. I am fairly certain the Army Corp. did the same thing with wing dams all the way down the river, so stay in the channel. Approach the beach at right angles. Talk to other boaters who know the river before venturing into unfamiliar areas.

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How about a ditch bag?

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New river boater looking for advice 20 Jan 2010 16:55 #16

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dwoodford;404796 wrote: I know they were talking about beer:


Lots of good answers here, but whenever beer is the answer to the problem, life is good. Thank you all for your help.

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Saintjon;405307 wrote: Capt. Ron knows of what he speaks, but I have been told the charts are approximate. They will give you an idea where they might be. You will learn to read the water. See the ripples where the wing dams are or the water is shallow. Some tell me but again, I don't think it is 100% true that the buoys are at the end of wing dams. Other things charts will tell you is where there are stump fields. Those can be fun places on the river too if you are not aware of them. I am fairly certain the Army Corp. did the same thing with wing dams all the way down the river, so stay in the channel. Approach the beach at right angles. Talk to other boaters who know the river before venturing into unfamiliar areas.


The wing dams do indeed come all the way down. And down here the buoys and the wing dams don't have much to do with one another. We actually are at a very good marina where the harbor master took us out for a day and showed us some "survival" tips. The marina actually posts an update to the charts whenever a new wing dam is discovered. I'm not sure what a stump field is though. Nobody has mentioned that so far. I'll have to do some homework there. All of last summer my basic theory was, "hey, if that big boat can go there, mine can too". I think this year is the year to be a little more brave.

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Insteada;407638 wrote: The wing dams do indeed come all the way down. And down here the buoys and the wing dams don't have much to do with one another. We actually are at a very good marina where the harbor master took us out for a day and showed us some "survival" tips. The marina actually posts an update to the charts whenever a new wing dam is discovered. I'm not sure what a stump field is though. Nobody has mentioned that so far. I'll have to do some homework there. All of last summer my basic theory was, "hey, if that big boat can go there, mine can too". I think this year is the year to be a little more brave.


A friend of mine has a larger 34 or 36' Formula 2008 with lots of bells and whistles. He has a gps or whatever with preloaded charts and it shows wing dams. I asked if it was accurate and he said they were all marked.

He found out that wasn't true.

Stump fields are generally out of the channel. Just go slow in unfamiliar areas. I also agree with the big boat theory.

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Captain Ron;405156 wrote: A good chart that shows all of the wing dams is a must!


Guys,
Can you explain to me what a wing dam is ?

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its a dam of rocks or concrete about a foot under the surface of the water. They will run from the shore to the middleish area of the river. I dont remember their exact purpose but they are all over the mississippi.

The stump fields are exactly as they say, areas where lots of tree stumps are, the st.croix has a few of these but most are far enough down where youll be ok.

I have charts of the mississippi threw all minnesota and iowa and farther south I belive, I am sure those will come in handy for me this year. They also show the shore markers for navigating at night time.

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Danny;407825 wrote: Guys,
Can you explain to me what a wing dam is ?



It's basically a run of rocks and dirt that extend into the river and are designed to control waterflow and depths. Here is the wikipedia reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_dam

Here an example of the files that our marina sends out as updates to the charts showing the wing dams (or down here we also call them dikes). They are illustrated on the official map by the thin black lines and they have been added by the marina in red or yellow depending upon their assumed depth under the water.

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they share satellite shots of them too, incase you aren't familiar with the charts/don't use them/etc. Nasty things. Saw a boat this season tried to cut around the end of island 521 in this shot too close and ended up sitting on the wing dam with a decent crack in the hull.

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First time posting images. Hope it works. If not, you can all admire all the pretty letters and numbers and such. Oooohhh. Pretty.

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Sorry for the long post. Guess I could have sized down those images.

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those things are on navigable waterways, below the surface, and are unmarked??? are they in the channels???

holy carp.

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Being a river boater, I carry some fuses and a belt, a couple screwdrivers, a pair of pliars, a spare prop kit, a cell phone, beer, sunglasses, suntan lotion, and a fishing pole.

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Insteada;407834 wrote: Sorry for the long post. Guess I could have sized down those images.


Excellent post! The admiral has instructed me to plan her Great Loop trip and this kind of info is very valuable. We carry spare props, but no spare hulls. ;)

Those 4 chevron-shaped dams downstream of Iowa Island are very disturbing. In a situation like that, would they be below mean water level? Would they be bouyed?

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