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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 01:42 #26

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yachtman wrote: Hmm. Wouldn't a smart thief dress himself up like some sort of law enforcement officer before boarding a boat? If the owner doesn't wake up, he can steal whatever he likes. If the owner wakes up, he can make up a BS story about needing to pay for some sort of permit to excuse his behavior.


Not smart enough to realize that's a good way to end up dead. I can't imagine any LEO being that foolish.


Seriously SS, yachtsman has a point. Would any LEO board a boat without first warning the owners he was about to board, especially at night? They are trained to announce first and foremost. We also know that some crooks will dress up like law enforcement, and in this case, a DNR officer.

RPrather, could you see if the boat was DNR?

At first I couldn't tell who it was even after he identified himself. I then looked over the starboard side and could see his boat and the reflection off his light bar from my 360 light. I did ask them if they didn't think it would be safer for them in the future to do a better job of announcing them selves. The one that boarded my vessel then asked if my last statement was a threat to which I answered most definitely not. I told them I was just telling them its a bit disconcerting to have someone board your boat in the middle of the night whilst anchored. It was definitely a surreal experience to say the least as I really thought we were about to be robbed or something maybe even worse. I an not anti law enforcement but I have noticed these young officers are a little gung ho these days.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 02:45 #27

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No firearms on my boat.
I have a Keurig though.
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RPrather, did you file a complaint with the DNR? What the officer did could have gotten him and/or an innocent person killed.
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Norton Rider wrote: RPrather, did you file a complaint with the DNR? What the officer did could have gotten him and/or an innocent person killed.


Absolutely. Can't believe that officer would be so stupid. If I heard someone on board in the middle of the night, the first thing out of my cabin would be a Ruger SR9C in my hand.
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Car2n wrote: No firearms on my boat.
I have a Keurig though.


You gonna invite 'em in for a coffee????
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 16:09 #31

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As a full time liveaboard I always have arms on the boat plus exterior cameras with IR to check the back deck and the dock.
My go to is a nice short Mossberg 510 in 20 ga with a combination trigger lock to stay legal, but only one digit off open.
Guns are an option in Canada, although many do not think that way, and the recent Defense of Property Act has made it even more
open as to when this is appropriate.
I get my ATF Form 6NIA every January so that I can enter the US with Firearms and just declare at port of entry.
I have never had a problem or any questions with this process when on our summer cruises.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 18:44 #32

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The Other Gary wrote: As a full time liveaboard I always have arms on the boat plus exterior cameras with IR to check the back deck and the dock.
My go to is a nice short Mossberg 510 in 20 ga with a combination trigger lock to stay legal, but only one digit off open.
Guns are an option in Canada, although many do not think that way, and the recent Defense of Property Act has made it even more
open as to when this is appropriate.
I get my ATF Form 6NIA every January so that I can enter the US with Firearms and just declare at port of entry.
I have never had a problem or any questions with this process when on our summer cruises.


What about the reverse? A US boater entering Canada with a firearm intended for protection?
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 19:13 #33

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I see we have a lot of testosterone going on right now.

One of the reasons I do NOT carry is that little (and sorry Jeff, I am not picking on you directly here, but your line sums up my thoughts) "judged by 12" line.

That line is very, VERY gray, and in a certain situation, the need to defend will not be preceeded by logical and thought out plan. Also, in the situation described, there's another way to handle the situation: Arm yourself with a blunt object or a flare gun (as stated, those do plenty of damage on their own), and then ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.

Thieves board boats because they think they are not occupied. Call the police, arm yourself, and then announce to the thieves that they have 5 seconds to leave at top speed.

Unless you dock in Gary Indiana, I can't imagine a need for a gun even in that situation.

Now, completely contradicting what I just wrote, and here's where my temper is coming out: Board my boat in the middle of the night with my wife and son aboard, and I won't need a firearm to kill you.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 19:45 #34

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dmcb wrote:

The Other Gary wrote: As a full time liveaboard I always have arms on the boat plus exterior cameras with IR to check the back deck and the dock.
My go to is a nice short Mossberg 510 in 20 ga with a combination trigger lock to stay legal, but only one digit off open.
Guns are an option in Canada, although many do not think that way, and the recent Defense of Property Act has made it even more
open as to when this is appropriate.
I get my ATF Form 6NIA every January so that I can enter the US with Firearms and just declare at port of entry.
I have never had a problem or any questions with this process when on our summer cruises.


What about the reverse? A US boater entering Canada with a firearm intended for protection?
Doug


Doug, shotguns and long guns can be brought into Canada by US residents by obtaining a form and paying $25 fee for a temporary permit for up to three long guns or shotguns.
www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm
Tell them you had a Bear on your swim platform last visit and you are nervous, don't just say self protection as it will be interpreted wrongly.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 19:52 #35

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Solandri wrote:

RPrather wrote: We take these with us just in case. We were boarded in the middle of the night a few years ago while anchored on the Wisconsin side of the Saint Croix river. After walking out of the cabin half asleep and armed it turned out to be the Wisconsin DNR. He didn't see my pistol so I quietly stashed it and he never saw it. I advised him when boarding a boat in the middle of the night he may want to announce himself and his intensions to the vessels occupants. When I asked him what he needed he informed me that I must pay $15.00 to anchor as the river bed is part of the Kinikinnic state park. I declined to pay the fee and moved down river 200 yards.

Hmm. Wouldn't a smart thief dress himself up like some sort of law enforcement officer before boarding a boat? If the owner doesn't wake up, he can steal whatever he likes. If the owner wakes up, he can make up a BS story about needing to pay for some sort of permit to excuse his behavior.


RGrew176 wrote: A friend of mine was boarded during the night while he was sleeping. He heard the person board and heard steps above. He grabbed the wasp spray can he kept onboard. When the guy tried to open the door to the cabin he pushed it open and sprayed the guy right in the face with the wasp spray. The guy immediately went down. He was still down and crying out when the police arrived on scene.

For those who do not want a firearm on board this is definitely a less lethal method to bring down a perp.

There's lethality, and there's toxicity. While a firearm can kill, most of the time it will just cause a physical wound which will heal. A chemical pesticide, while it might not kill, could cause permanent injury. In the case of wasp spray, the active ingredient affects the nervous system, and its long-term effects in large quantities on people is unknown. The intruder could end up successfully suing you for any permanent injury he suffers. If you're going to do this, you probably want to stick to accepted self-defense sprays which are believed to have no long-term toxicity, like pepper spray.


That's all he had on the boat at the time. He now carries a weapon and like you said he also has some pepper spray on board.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 21:58 #36

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Boarding a boat at night with-out announcing your intentions is a good way to meet your maker.
even a uniform may not make a difference, they can be bought anywhere.
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The Other Gary wrote:

dmcb wrote:

The Other Gary wrote: As a full time liveaboard I always have arms on the boat plus exterior cameras with IR to check the back deck and the dock.
My go to is a nice short Mossberg 510 in 20 ga with a combination trigger lock to stay legal, but only one digit off open.
Guns are an option in Canada, although many do not think that way, and the recent Defense of Property Act has made it even more
open as to when this is appropriate.
I get my ATF Form 6NIA every January so that I can enter the US with Firearms and just declare at port of entry.
I have never had a problem or any questions with this process when on our summer cruises.


What about the reverse? A US boater entering Canada with a firearm intended for protection?
Doug


Doug, shotguns and long guns can be brought into Canada by US residents by obtaining a form and paying $25 fee for a temporary permit for up to three long guns or shotguns.
www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm
Tell them you had a Bear on your swim platform last visit and you are nervous, don't just say self protection as it will be interpreted wrongly.


Gary, we attempted entry with our filled out form and 12 ga. shotgun last June at I-95 going into New Brunswick. Our reason checked was wildlife defense and transiting Canada for re-entry from Alberta or BC. We were denied because they "have no way of knowing you will be going through rural areas where you might encounter wild animals." We were told we could enter without the shotgun, given choices of selling it in Maine, shipping it home or surrendering to the Crown. We told them no thanks, we'll go home across the US, spending the rest of our travel money at home, not in Canada. Interestingly, it's the same shotgun we took into and through Canada 3 times before via Ontario, Alberta and BC.
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Download_Complete wrote: I see we have a lot of testosterone going on right now.

One of the reasons I do NOT carry is that little (and sorry Jeff, I am not picking on you directly here, but your line sums up my thoughts) "judged by 12" line.

That line is very, VERY gray, and in a certain situation, the need to defend will not be preceeded by logical and thought out plan. Also, in the situation described, there's another way to handle the situation: Arm yourself with a blunt object or a flare gun (as stated, those do plenty of damage on their own), and then ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.

Thieves board boats because they think they are not occupied. Call the police, arm yourself, and then announce to the thieves that they have 5 seconds to leave at top speed.

Unless you dock in Gary Indiana, I can't imagine a need for a gun even in that situation.

Now, completely contradicting what I just wrote, and here's where my temper is coming out: Board my boat in the middle of the night with my wife and son aboard, and I won't need a firearm to kill you.


The problem with your final thought is why most of us DO carry guns, to avoid the need for anger and rage overwhelming the situation. Just having a gun and making it known PREVENTS the need to take action far more than anyone even knows.
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Im the only person who posed a positive peaceful response!

Im finding it so hard to feel such need to be armed on my boat. Im way to drunk on my boat to have access to a gun..
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When you hook a 100 lb halibut a firearm is usually necessary, a large halibut on the deck can break your leg.
Alaska has few if any restrictions on firearms, residents open or concealed carry is OK.
Not many boaters in Alaska do not have firearms on board.

I have never had an issue with transporting a firearm through Canada with the proper transport permit, certain pistols can also be transported through Canada with an ATT permit, certain restrictions with caliber (.25-.32) and barrel length.
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Repeat after me,,,, shooting a flare while in your boat cabin, or on your boat and not pointing the flare gun skyward, will cause bad things to happen,

Shooting a flare at someone "on" your boat is a bad idea. The projectile WILL bounce off of them, it will not stick to them or drill a hole in them, it WILL bounce off of them. And, it will continue to burn, you cannot pick it up, it will set your boat on fire. You cannot put the burning flare out. You cannot douse it with water, or use a fire extinguisher on it to put it out.

A burning flare can burn a hole right though the bottom of your fiberglass boat.

Flares use for defense? ... Sure,,, throwing a fragile glass container of gasoline into a vessel that is attempting to (pirates! ) board you, shoot at the vessel with your flare gun, ,,,, usually you move on and the (pirate) other boat burns !

And no, I'm not avocating setting kids on fire for checking out your boat.

And yes, if you board my boat any time unannounced to do bad things, I may shoot you or set you on fire.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 21 Sep 2017 01:11 #42

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It never crossed my mind to file a complaint and usually those things fall on deaf ears. I was happy that everyone walked away without any harm. The conservation officers were both pretty young and I'm sure somewhat inexperienced.
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All this talk about using a flare reminds me of the movie Captain Ron! For those who want a non lethal way I would recommend Fox OC spray or take a class for using a Taser. I've been through both for training and certification requirements and never want to be on the receiving end again. My asp or Glock is always within reach to protect my family.

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Are most of you familiar with the "Pirate's Plague"? It is a .38 insert for a conventional flare pistol. Similar inserts are available in .22 caliber. Both caliber rounds are available loaded with birdshot rather than a solid bullet for a less lethal effect. Blanks are also available if the intent is to scare without setting your boat on fire.

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In Minneapolis MN in the 70's 2 police officers said to my mother in my presence, " if an intruder climbs in your window shoot that person and be sure they do not fall back out".
In other words, intruders are shot dead, especially if you fear for your life.
Your boat while you are aboard is your home-your castle so to speak.
They take their chances, you are not expected to take a chance with an intruder since you "fear for your life in your temp. home.
other option is: They do you harm and take what they want, and guess what, they do not want you alive to testify against them.
Forget flare guns, get a permit and defend yourself with lethal force, even in Canada a shotgun is allowed.
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Sharkey wrote: Shooting a flare at someone "on" your boat is a bad idea. The projectile WILL bounce off of them, it will not stick to them or drill a hole in them, it WILL bounce off of them. And, it will continue to burn, you cannot pick it up, it will set your boat on fire. You cannot put the burning flare out. You cannot douse it with water, or use a fire extinguisher on it to put it out.

I am not doubting your comments, but curious how you are so sure the flare WILL bounce off? The powder charge propels the flare to an altitude of 300 feet, which is similar to the energy of some shotgun shells isn't it? Maybe I am out in left field on this one. Still wondering if there is a story behind the statement, "WILL bounce off".

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S&W 9mm is my choise! and I don't shoot to wound!
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Mr. Darcy wrote: I am not doubting your comments, but curious how you are so sure the flare WILL bounce off? The powder charge propels the flare to an altitude of 300 feet, which is similar to the energy of some shotgun shells isn't it? Maybe I am out in left field on this one. Still wondering if there is a story behind the statement, "WILL bounce off".


Greg, when you fire a flare gun, the propellant burns first, and the point/tip stays hard so it will cut the air. If the tip caught fire before it reached any kind of height, it would slow the flare too much to get any kind of height. Ergo: Firing a flare gun at close range will bounce off and likely careen into a corner, or under something. And since you cannot pick it up until it is spent, it will quickly catch fire to whatever it ends up against.

If you do use your flare gun, you will have but one question to ask yourself, "How long can I tread water?"
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Download_Complete wrote: I see we have a lot of testosterone going on right now.

One of the reasons I do NOT carry is that little (and sorry Jeff, I am not picking on you directly here, but your line sums up my thoughts) "judged by 12" line.

That line is very, VERY gray, and in a certain situation, the need to defend will not be preceeded by logical and thought out plan. Also, in the situation described, there's another way to handle the situation: Arm yourself with a blunt object or a flare gun (as stated, those do plenty of damage on their own), and then ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.

Thieves board boats because they think they are not occupied. Call the police, arm yourself, and then announce to the thieves that they have 5 seconds to leave at top speed.

Unless you dock in Gary Indiana, I can't imagine a need for a gun even in that situation.

Now, completely contradicting what I just wrote, and here's where my temper is coming out: Board my boat in the middle of the night with my wife and son aboard, and I won't need a firearm to kill you.


The problem with your final thought is why most of us DO carry guns, to avoid the need for anger and rage overwhelming the situation. Just having a gun and making it known PREVENTS the need to take action far more than anyone even knows.


Even more so if the shotgun is a pump. The sound of racking a shell in the chamber is one of the best preventive action know to man.
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RPrather wrote: It never crossed my mind to file a complaint and usually those things fall on deaf ears. I was happy that everyone walked away without any harm. The conservation officers were both pretty young and I'm sure somewhat inexperienced.


You are probably right that they were un-experienced and they boarded because they didn't know any better or someone told him they could. The best recourse is to call their department and ask questions, it might save them from future lawsuits. A boat, even though it is a mobile conveyance, offers many of the same protections as a house does when it comes to searches and seizures. The Coast Guard has the broadest board and search authority (other than customs when you have a border nexus) but even the Coast Guard won't board a boat at anchor un-announced unless it's a hazard in navigable waters.
Problem is lack of education amongst the many entities that patrol waters these days. Heck, just the other day I saw in Flint Michigan an ad for police officers where they are paying them something like $12 an hour. You get what you pay for…
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