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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 09:39 #1

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2am at Imperial Landing in Steveston. Awoke by movement on the boat. 4 unknowns on my boat making noise, taking photos and going up and down from the fly bridge. Police called , they responded quickly but if seemed like forever.
Just some youngsters having fun. It was a tense situation, you never know how things will turn out when alcohol is involved.

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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 09:44 #2

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That kind of "fun" gets dumb-ass people killed. Alcohol or not.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 09:56 #3

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Jeffw wrote: That kind of "fun" gets dumb-ass people killed. Alcohol or not.


This situation has made me realize the need for a self-defence plan. The only thing I have onboard is a kitchen knife and a flare gun. The neither of them was close by while we were down in the midberth.

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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 10:10 #4

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I know your laws are different, but we overnight on the boat in California, where the laws are much more stringent than here in Arizona. That said, I put our safety first, and would "rather be judged by 12, than carried by six." I can also report that the sound of a 12 gauge pump chambering a round sends most ne'er-do-wells fleeing...B)

Edit: And the ones on deck WILL hear that sound from the forward berth!
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 12:08 #5

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Wow thats pretty spooky.

Honestly i think i would handle this situation with some positive vibes as i try to see the world as a beautiful place where all people are inherently good.

If the youngsters were boarding your boat in admiration i would offer them a tour to satisfy their curiosity and then dish out a learning lesson on just how expensive everything marine is and how you need to respect peoples dream property on that fact alone. Perhaps down the road it would keep you more protected than any 12 gauge would now that the word is out you have a cool boat and its known you arent an arse and kids would be more affraid of the costs of repairs then gettig shot!

Remember the youth are invincible! But when a door handle costs more than the new Jordan's thats some perspective you can arm them with that they can comprehend more effectively.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 12:09 #6

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On the same note, at home i sleep next to my 1911... so im on both sides, id rather be alive than be a victim
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 15:20 #7

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My bedside gun is a Sig P226 with a green laser. It's super bright and if the kids are brazen enough to hang around after seeing that come up from downstairs, their problems would get worse quickly.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 15:30 #8

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I 2nd that!!!!!!!
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 16:38 #9

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My self defense is a CZ 75 9MM. Unlike Jeff"s 12 gauge, no one will hear the sound of the slide being racked because it's already racked!
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 16:40 #10

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joe440 wrote: 2am at Imperial Landing in Steveston. Awoke by movement on the boat. 4 unknowns on my boat making noise, taking photos and going up and down from the fly bridge. Police called , they responded quickly but if seemed like forever.
Just some youngsters having fun. It was a tense situation, you never know how things will turn out when alcohol is involved.

Steveston you say that's not good, I stay on my boat in New West when working in the Lower Mainland. Right now I'm doing nights so I wouldn't be on board in the wee hours when this type of stuff happens, now you've got me thinking about a self-defense strategy, gun, shotgun, speargun all sound good. Some piece of crap tried stealing one of the guys at the marina's motorcycle a few weeks back(failed) but did a bunch of damage, so I'm going to go on the theory that it's a bad area. The look on a crackheads face when you rack a 12 guage and tell him "start swimming" would be priceless.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 16:42 #11

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Jim Gandee wrote: My self defense is a CZ 75 9MM. Unlike Jeff"s 12 gauge, no one will hear the sound of the slide being racked because it's already racked!


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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 22:09 #12

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Flare guns are quite scary when you explain to the target how they work. I had that situation. When they were told that the round would not kill them instantly, but rather start them on fire from the inside out, their eyes suddenly opened really wide, and departure was the only thing on their mind. Kind of a fire and brimstone sermon, but short and to the point.

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Boarded in the middle of the night 15 Sep 2017 23:15 #13

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When I was working on the Dago squid boats in Monterey we kept seal bombs just for this reason
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Boarded in the middle of the night 16 Sep 2017 00:52 #14

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We take these with us just in case. We were boarded in the middle of the night a few years ago while anchored on the Wisconsin side of the Saint Croix river. After walking out of the cabin half asleep and armed it turned out to be the Wisconsin DNR. He didn't see my pistol so I quietly stashed it and he never saw it. I advised him when boarding a boat in the middle of the night he may want to announce himself and his intensions to the vessels occupants. When I asked him what he needed he informed me that I must pay $15.00 to anchor as the river bed is part of the Kinikinnic state park. I declined to pay the fee and moved down river 200 yards.

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Boarded in the middle of the night 16 Sep 2017 02:33 #15

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RPrather wrote: We take these with us just in case. We were boarded in the middle of the night a few years ago while anchored on the Wisconsin side of the Saint Croix river. After walking out of the cabin half asleep and armed it turned out to be the Wisconsin DNR. He didn't see my pistol so I quietly stashed it and he never saw it. I advised him when boarding a boat in the middle of the night he may want to announce himself and his intensions to the vessels occupants. When I asked him what he needed he informed me that I must pay $15.00 to anchor as the river bed is part of the Kinikinnic state park. I declined to pay the fee and moved down river 200 yards.


That was a rather brazen move by the DNR guy. Coming aboard your boat in the middle of the night is not a smart thing to do even for someone in law enforcement.
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We were at Steveston dock with a group one new years and one of the boats was boarded in the middle of the night. The owner sleeping in the forward berth heard them and went into the pilot house and it was kids out to steal his burgee. He gave them a good dose of his air horns from the comfort of his pilot house and enjoyed watching how fast they could exit both his boat and the docks! But the flare gun is an interesting idea for self defense!
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Boarded in the middle of the night 16 Sep 2017 13:40 #17

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For myself guns are not an option and I would be afraid to use a flare gun onboard and have my boat go up in flames.
I’m thinking of installing a panic light and siren to scare intruders off. It gives them a chance to leave before it becomes confrontational.

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Boarded in the middle of the night 16 Sep 2017 13:54 #18

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As we boat almost all the season in Canada, guns are not an option for us.
In the 50 plus years we have boated this area I have never felt the need for one. We never lock the boat when we leave it at anchor for the day. I have never felt the need for doing so.
All that said I keep a flare gun next to our bed. Also a fire extinguisher. Just in case I need either.
I think a flare in the belly would alter the intent of someone coming aboard at night.
Don't expect to need it but its there in case I do.
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Flare gun is better than nothing but:

You only have one shot without cumbersome reloading
Chances are very good you will start your own vessel ablaze
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I keep a Taurus Judge around loaded with .410 shells, #1 6 shot, #2,3,4,5 are 000 buck or hornady critical defence if in bear country. Normal use is for rattle snakes around the place using 9 shot. Warning shot, very loud and lots of fire.
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A friend of mine was boarded during the night while he was sleeping. He heard the person board and heard steps above. He grabbed the wasp spray can he kept onboard. When the guy tried to open the door to the cabin he pushed it open and sprayed the guy right in the face with the wasp spray. The guy immediately went down. He was still down and crying out when the police arrived on scene.

For those who do not want a firearm on board this is definitely a less lethal method to bring down a perp.
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RPrather wrote: We take these with us just in case. We were boarded in the middle of the night a few years ago while anchored on the Wisconsin side of the Saint Croix river. After walking out of the cabin half asleep and armed it turned out to be the Wisconsin DNR. He didn't see my pistol so I quietly stashed it and he never saw it. I advised him when boarding a boat in the middle of the night he may want to announce himself and his intensions to the vessels occupants. When I asked him what he needed he informed me that I must pay $15.00 to anchor as the river bed is part of the Kinikinnic state park. I declined to pay the fee and moved down river 200 yards.

Hmm. Wouldn't a smart thief dress himself up like some sort of law enforcement officer before boarding a boat? If the owner doesn't wake up, he can steal whatever he likes. If the owner wakes up, he can make up a BS story about needing to pay for some sort of permit to excuse his behavior.


RGrew176 wrote: A friend of mine was boarded during the night while he was sleeping. He heard the person board and heard steps above. He grabbed the wasp spray can he kept onboard. When the guy tried to open the door to the cabin he pushed it open and sprayed the guy right in the face with the wasp spray. The guy immediately went down. He was still down and crying out when the police arrived on scene.

For those who do not want a firearm on board this is definitely a less lethal method to bring down a perp.

There's lethality, and there's toxicity. While a firearm can kill, most of the time it will just cause a physical wound which will heal. A chemical pesticide, while it might not kill, could cause permanent injury. In the case of wasp spray, the active ingredient affects the nervous system, and its long-term effects in large quantities on people is unknown. The intruder could end up successfully suing you for any permanent injury he suffers. If you're going to do this, you probably want to stick to accepted self-defense sprays which are believed to have no long-term toxicity, like pepper spray.
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Solandri wrote:

RPrather wrote: We take these with us just in case. We were boarded in the middle of the night a few years ago while anchored on the Wisconsin side of the Saint Croix river. After walking out of the cabin half asleep and armed it turned out to be the Wisconsin DNR. He didn't see my pistol so I quietly stashed it and he never saw it. I advised him when boarding a boat in the middle of the night he may want to announce himself and his intensions to the vessels occupants. When I asked him what he needed he informed me that I must pay $15.00 to anchor as the river bed is part of the Kinikinnic state park. I declined to pay the fee and moved down river 200 yards.

Hmm. Wouldn't a smart thief dress himself up like some sort of law enforcement officer before boarding a boat? If the owner doesn't wake up, he can steal whatever he likes. If the owner wakes up, he can make up a BS story about needing to pay for some sort of permit to excuse his behavior.


RGrew176 wrote: A friend of mine was boarded during the night while he was sleeping. He heard the person board and heard steps above. He grabbed the wasp spray can he kept onboard. When the guy tried to open the door to the cabin he pushed it open and sprayed the guy right in the face with the wasp spray. The guy immediately went down. He was still down and crying out when the police arrived on scene.

For those who do not want a firearm on board this is definitely a less lethal method to bring down a perp.

There's lethality, and there's toxicity. While a firearm can kill, most of the time it will just cause a physical wound which will heal. A chemical pesticide, while it might not kill, could cause permanent injury. In the case of wasp spray, the active ingredient affects the nervous system, and its long-term effects in large quantities on people is unknown. The intruder could end up successfully suing you for any permanent injury he suffers. If you're going to do this, you probably want to stick to accepted self-defense sprays which are believed to have no long-term toxicity, like pepper spray.



Aaaannndddd..... you could get jailed / fined ( min $7500 min.to the sky is the limit) for using an insecticide for something other than its intended use which is a federal offense. Don't you just love the EPA.

The reality for me as sad as it has to be if i shoot you I will make sure you are dead. Dead men tell no lies.

It's not that I agree with that or want to do that but I won't take the chance of being litigated by some slimeball that deserved it and then wind up giving him more in the end. Not going to happen.

I don't always carry but when I do I will make every effort not to use it and at that point when I do I will make every effort to make it effective..

I usually carry a defender shot gun and a 40 pistol but only if I'm out for more than a day or so and depending on the area.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 00:36 #24

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yachtman wrote: Hmm. Wouldn't a smart thief dress himself up like some sort of law enforcement officer before boarding a boat? If the owner doesn't wake up, he can steal whatever he likes. If the owner wakes up, he can make up a BS story about needing to pay for some sort of permit to excuse his behavior.


Not smart enough to realize that's a good way to end up dead. I can't imagine any LEO being that foolish.
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Boarded in the middle of the night 19 Sep 2017 01:03 #25

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yachtman wrote: Hmm. Wouldn't a smart thief dress himself up like some sort of law enforcement officer before boarding a boat? If the owner doesn't wake up, he can steal whatever he likes. If the owner wakes up, he can make up a BS story about needing to pay for some sort of permit to excuse his behavior.


Not smart enough to realize that's a good way to end up dead. I can't imagine any LEO being that foolish.


Seriously SS, yachtsman has a point. Would any LEO board a boat without first warning the owners he was about to board, especially at night? They are trained to announce first and foremost. We also know that some crooks will dress up like law enforcement, and in this case, a DNR officer.

RPrather, could you see if the boat was DNR?
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