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Hydronic Heater install 17 Feb 2008 01:57 #1

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Another project I started today is the 4 vent Hydronic heater from Heatercraft.
I needed to install the main body in the compartment in the mid-berth behind the panel on the starboard side.

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I removed the panels pretty much all around the area.

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Since I need to clean the Helm's drink holder/junk collection panel on the cockpit starboard gunnel, I removed it to provide light down below.

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I then mounted the heater closer to the aft bulkhead because I want to get as much room as possible for the heater vent hose to bend and be routed wherever(it's very close the panel to be replaced).

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Top view through cup holder/helm catch all~O~rific.

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Hydronic Heater install 17 Feb 2008 01:59 #2

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You can see where the brackets are that the panel attaches to and how little clearance the vent hoses have. It'll be fine but it's tight.
I was also considering leaving enough room in this same otherwise deadspace for an inverter.

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The pass through hole from the engine compartment

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All the fluid hoses are run, I just need to get the vent hoses installed and wire a Mini-puppy pump(mounted in the engine compartment) in line with the control switch so that the pump comes on when the heater is called for.
So, tomorrow some more to do, but I got a good start.....

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Hydronic Heater install 17 Feb 2008 05:21 #3

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It's a relief to know that Bayliner is still using the "enormous wads of silicone" sealing system as installed on my vintage '86!!! :)

( I really would have thought they moved onto something like foam by now?)

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Hydronic Heater install 17 Feb 2008 18:25 #4

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The_Sea_Word;113891 wrote: It's a relief to know that Bayliner is still using the "enormous wads of silicone" sealing system as installed on my vintage '86!!! :)

( I really would have thought they moved onto something like foam by now?)


Well mine's a SeaRay, but yeah, the same practice. Once I'm done I need to seal it back up too. I think that the silicone seals out the CO better than foam, and won't absorb moisture to mildew/mold up.

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Hydronic Heater install 17 Feb 2008 18:44 #5

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What is this heater,

How does it hook up,

and What is the cost?

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Hydronic Heater install 17 Feb 2008 21:15 #6

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Hi Saint Thomas.
It's what they call a hydronic heater, just like you'd have in your car.
It makes our early spring and late fall boating really comfortable.
I just bought this boat in Dec and our old boat had it, it spoiled us.

Mine is made by HeaterCraft
I bought it direct from them. It was $498 and I think with shipping all total it was $526.

Currently the FWC Cycles out of the engine through the hot water tank, and back into the engine.
When the dealer install my FWC, I told them I was going to install a heater kit, so I asked them to install a Jabsco "Mini-Puppy" auxillary pump
It was another $150 but when I picked up the boat the Tech mentioned that when I go to install the heater "disconnect this" stuff the heater hoses (he pre-installed for me) through the super cool glob~O~silicone (seen above), to the heater and back and "re-connect that end here".
What he did, was route all of the heater hose to and from the water heater over to where he installed the Mini-puppy and spliced in a straight connector, which will save me a couple hours or more(no extra charge). I love my dealer!

Anyway. I spent a couple hours figuring out where I wanted to install the vent hoses.
I have the 4 vent system, 3 of which are the "Euro Vent"

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2 will go into the cabin and 1 at the helm next to me.
Then one for the admiral to throw under a blanket is the "Hot Tube".

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This one pulls out from the base with about 24"-30" of the vent you can hold. The Admiral will put this one is under a blanket and allows for a longer season.

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Hydronic Heater install 18 Feb 2008 02:55 #7

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when we got our 2455 back in 2k...we got a heatercraft h2 and had one vent up in the helm and one facing the wife at the port side towards the admiral...
on our maxum...I had them install one in the salon and one in the helm facing the wife...it sure will heat the place up in a heartbeat.....we usually drive with our jackets off...pretty worth the money...

:arr arrr

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Hydronic Heater install 18 Feb 2008 04:04 #8

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Thanks for the explanation.....

(yea, thanks alot for adding another neat item to my list that is too big already.)

But I'm safe for now - cause I just ordered my Simrad AP12R autopilot, and I am just about at my "new toy" limit.

Really, thanks for the excellent explanation,

Your bellow foater,

Tom

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Hydronic Heater install 18 Feb 2008 04:21 #9

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You should know better by now that the list never ends and someone will always have a gadget the we don't have, like an Autopilot:confused:

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Hydronic Heater install 18 Feb 2008 11:19 #10

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I notice the one brown vent called the "hot tube", does that have blower in it as well?

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Hydronic Heater install 18 Feb 2008 14:59 #11

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msd58;114144 wrote: I notice the one brown vent called the "hot tube", does that have blower in it as well?


Hey MSD,
Well it may be the lighting but the hot tube is black. The cool thing the "Hot Tube" does is the grill you see, if you look closely there's a edge, pulls out of the base with the mounting screws. It comes out about 24"-30" so the admiral sticks it under a blanket.

It's a nice setup.
I should have it all done this week and show update pictures.

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Hydronic Heater install 18 Feb 2008 18:25 #12

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OK I have a stupid question is this hooked into the hot water from the water heater? on the potable side? or just the hot water from engine the same as a normal car. If it is hooked up to the drinkable side then it would still heat the boat while on shore power if the hot water heater is turned on?

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Hydronic Heater install 18 Feb 2008 18:32 #13

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NWCruiser;114263 wrote: OK I have a stupid question is this hooked into the hot water from the water heater? on the potable side? or just the hot water from engine the same as a normal car. If it is hooked up to the drinkable side then it would still heat the boat while on shore power if the hot water heater is turned on?


No it's like a car only when the engine is running. It does run through the water heater though (to heat that)before it returns to the engine
If it were on the water heater Potable side, I don't think it would keep up with the heat demand.

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Hydronic Heater install 20 Feb 2008 02:35 #14

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UPDATE:
I brought the boat home tonight and continue the heater install. I decided to go forward full steam and install the Heater vents
Cabin Vent under the Stair Before

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Hydronic Heater install 20 Feb 2008 02:35 #15

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Mid-Berth After

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Helm Before

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Hydronic Heater install 20 Feb 2008 02:42 #16

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Admiral's Extendo Vent~O~Rama -"Hot Tube" Helm Before

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Hydronic Heater install 25 Feb 2008 22:33 #17

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Ok Progress report:

I got the HeaterCraft switch installed yesterday morning

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and wanted to also install a separate switch to run the aux pump.

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I had limited space with the jigsaw, so I had a chatter moment (when the blade catches and popped out), so I have a couple of blade dings in the dash. :eek:

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Overall it turned out good. I'll get over the dings. All tested (pump came on and the heater fan worked in the 3 speeds) and I'm ready to re-fill the system and test for leaks, connect the vent hoses and button it back up.

I'll bring it home one night this week and finish her off.

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and I'm excited to get out there.
The GPS install should be a cinch, with the transducer already installed.

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Hydronic Heater install 25 Feb 2008 23:02 #18

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Saint Thomas;114109 wrote: Thanks for the explanation.....

(yea, thanks alot for adding another neat item to my list that is too big already.)

But I'm safe for now - cause I just ordered my Simrad AP12R autopilot, and I am just about at my "new toy" limit.

Really, thanks for the excellent explanation,

Your bellow foater,

Tom


If I were to show this to the Admiral as a way to keep warm, I think my Admiral would extend my "new toy" limit for that. :cool:

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Hydronic Heater install 26 Feb 2008 01:14 #19

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Syzygyone;116545 wrote: If I were to show this to the Admiral as a way to keep warm, I think my Admiral would extend my "new toy" limit for that. :cool:


It's a really pretty straight forward concept and install. I had it on my 230OV SeaRay Overnighter and it really worked great. My last one was a 3 vent unit.
They have a 2 vent unit too and it really extends your season and takees the chill out.

The best for me was about 3 years ago in the 230 and I was out in February 38 degrees, full cavas up and the heat on, cruising in pouring down rain, but calm water, the radio on and cruising for about 45 mins each way to check crab pots with just a t-shirt on.
:rolleyes:
No-one around on Puget Sound........oh yeah, you can't beat that.

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Hydronic Heater install 02 Mar 2008 16:15 #20

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wish2fish wrote: Todd,
does one switch control the fan and the other moves the warm water through the system?


You got it the Toggle on the far right starts the pump and then you see the "Heater Craft" switch that yes, controls the fan.

Update:

Yesterday, I finished the heater installation and decided to add a 12VDC and 120VAC GFIC Outlet to the Starboard panel in the Mid Cabin.
This heater kit is going to really heat it up. All tested and I'm very happy.
Heater vent hose

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Final panel install with new heater vent and outlets in the mid-berth buttoned up

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Hydronic Heater install 06 Mar 2008 05:12 #21

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VERY NICE !!

Thanks for posting such great photos.

This project has been on my "potential" list. I think it just got moved to the "to do" list.

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JimMc;119859 wrote: VERY NICE !!

Thanks for posting such great photos.

This project has been on my "potential" list. I think it just got moved to the "to do" list.


Well I just parused your gallery and you have several systems, nicely organized.
It's obvious you are capable of installing the Hydronic System. I do recommend the HeaterCraft units and their customer service is great.
If you do install it make sure you also install the aux in line pump.

Best of luck and Nice boat.

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Todd

Thanks for your nice comments.

I have started working on the Admiral to get it onto her list too.

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JimMc;120877 wrote: Todd

Thanks for your nice comments.

I have started working on the Admiral to get it onto her list too.


They make a electric/hydronic combo unit too which may be something to consider.

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Hydronic Heater install 09 Mar 2008 00:49 #25

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Very nice install. Looks like a great mod for a mid/aft cabin boat. Maybe a little more efficient/permament than a basic space heater. I will consider this when I get my aft cabin......thanks for the great pics and install commentary!

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