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BOC member rating? 25 Mar 2012 12:58 #226

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wingless;666654 wrote: You have to love the anonymity of the rating system. It permits keyboard cowards to flex their muscles.


Very true... just like passive/aggressive comments.
And not only in a cowardly way, but lets say that two members agreed on the current topic, but had just locked horns in another unrelated thread and topic.
One could then accomplish a personal vendetta for a totally unrelated issue to the thread topic being discussed.

Let's hope that no one would stoop to this level.... but never say never!
The door is open!


Here's another what if:

Lets say that out of ten reasons for this system, two are fairly potentially negative reasons.
That leaves 8 reasons for, and 2 against.
What if those 2 reasons were enough to cause a new member (with his own question) to foo foo someone's potentially great response.

Are these 2 hypothetical reasons enough to cause legitimate concern?


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2850Bounty;666663 wrote: Very true... just like passive/aggressive comments.
And not only in a cowardly way, but lets say that two members agreed on the current topic, but had just locked horns in another unrelated thread and topic.
One could then accomplish a personal vendetta for a totally unrelated issue to the thread topic being discussed.

Let's hope that no one would stoop to this level.... but never say never!
The door is open!


Here's another what if:

Lets say that out of ten reasons for this system, two are fairly potentially negative reasons.
That leaves 8 reasons for, and 2 against.
What if those 2 reasons were enough to cause a new member (with his own question) to foo foo someone's potentially great response.

Are these 2 hypothetical reasons enough to cause legitimate concern?


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LOL I cant believe this thread is still going :sorrow:
Give people some credit ! Nobody is going to look at your Rep points and solely based on that make a decision as to the value of your post. If they do they have bigger issues. It takes very little time cruising this and other forums to determine who is an experianced knowledgable boater and who the dock queens are. Most people I am sure can make that distinction and base which advice they take on that rather than the Rep system.
Due to what this system is called Reputation, the concern that I see is all about ego and how one may be portrayed to others. I would give it up. Those of you who have consistanly provided good information will continue to be followed and those who have not will continue to be ignored.

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2850Bounty;666663 wrote: And not only in a cowardly way, but lets say that two members agreed on the current topic, but had just locked horns in another unrelated thread and topic.
One could then accomplish a personal vendetta for a totally unrelated issue to the thread topic being discussed.

That would imply that jerks use the Internet...

There is much less of an issue if each member could see who is rating and why.

Flip the switch. Reveal who has voted and how they voted.

crowder.dr;666673 wrote: LOL I cant believe this thread is still going

According to the thread count tally, your post quantity here is in the top eight.

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wingless;666654 wrote: You have to love the anonymity of the rating system. It permits keyboard cowards to flex their muscles.

The system could be tweaked to automatically sign the rating comments. I wonder why they don't do that?


And then the fight would begin, would sound like ebay prior to the seller not being able to give bad feedback.

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wingless;666696 wrote: According to the thread count tally, your post quantity here is in the top eight.


You are correct sir and my Rep didnt go up or down. People are still ignoring my quality posts LOL :D :worth

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boatworkfl;666697 wrote: And then the fight would begin, would sound like ebay prior to the seller not being able to give bad feedback.

There has always been the option to provide feedback to bad information in the forum.

If someone is inappropriate click the ! icon and report that content to the moderators for appropriate action.

If bad information is provided, then just provide accurate information with links to documentation supporting the correct information.

This "system" could transition from horrible to marginal by limiting ratings to Golden Rule, keep your mouth shut unless you have something good to say, or stop hiding behind the keyboard.

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crowder.dr;666673 wrote: 1... LOL I cant believe this thread is still going :sorrow:
2... Give people some credit ! Nobody is going to look at your Rep points and solely based on that make a decision as to the value of your post. If they do they have bigger issues. It takes very little time cruising this and other forums to determine who is an experianced knowledgable boater and who the dock queens are. Most people I am sure can make that distinction and base which advice they take on that rather than the Rep system.
Due to what this system is called Reputation, the concern that I see is all about ego and how one may be portrayed to others. I would give it up. Those of you who have consistanly provided good information will continue to be followed and those who have not will continue to be ignored.

1... my thoughts as well, but here I am still posting.

2.. my concerns are more so for the Newbie, than for us.

wingless;666696 wrote: There is much less of an issue if each member could see who is rating and why.
Flip the switch. Reveal who has voted and how they voted.

+ 1 ......... Remove the anonymity from the equation.

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Yes, this topic is getting beaten to death, but I think it deserves to get beaten to death. Cwiert is right though, now there's too much stubborness among the mods to just kill it and make this go away. We've already heard all the three standard mod responses:

1. This is not a democracy.
2. Mods have a tough job, can't make everybody happy, thankless job, etc.
3. Change is hard, give it time.

Those three responses cover just about forum mod controversy in the universe. Should just add those three phrases to their sig lines. The reason I'm cranky and disappointed and persistent about this change is that it changes the fabric of this site, changes the chemistry between members, and even intensfies the likelihood of dumb conflicts and elbowing and sniping. Of all the forums I browse, BOC seems to have more of that than most others for some reason. Have no idea why, but okay, still an entertaining and valuable site -- but now this rating system stuff makes that kind of atmosphere, that kind of playground stuff, even more likely, not less. I still have no idea what the mods are trying to accomplish here.

Kids fight on the playground, so let's hand out sticks to everybody so they can poke each other even more. Yeah, that's a really good idea.

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kthoennes;666705 wrote: Yes, this topic is getting beaten to death, but I think it deserves to get beaten to death. Cwiert is right though, now there's too much stubborness among the mods to just kill it and make this go away. We've already heard all the three standard mod responses:

1. This is not a democracy.
2. Mods have a tough job, can't make everybody happy, thankless job, etc.
3. Change is hard, give it time.

Those three responses cover just about forum mod controversy in the universe. Should just add those three phrases to their sig lines. The reason I'm cranky and disappointed and persistent about this change is that it changes the fabric of this site, changes the chemistry between members, and even intensfies the likelihood of dumb conflicts and elbowing and sniping. Of all the forums I browse, BOC seems to have more of that than most others for some reason. Have no idea why, but okay, still an entertaining and valuable site -- but now this rating system stuff makes that kind of atmosphere, that kind of playground stuff, even more likely, not less. I still have no idea what the mods are trying to accomplish here.

Kids fight on the playground, so let's hand out sticks to everybody so they can poke each other even more. Yeah, that's a really good idea.


I would assume that from the Moderators and Administrators point of view given there have been 43 individual posters to this thread out of 12,623 registered members, some members are for it, some are against it, and some like myself think it is irrelevant. But in the end 43 people regardless of their position is hardly an overwhelming segment of the membership and a reason to abandon a new site feature without it having been tried and fairly evaluated. :D

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Well said, kthoennes! Wish that I'd have said that myself!

Remove this feature, and you'll completely eliminate the need for this thread, and we'll never be the wiser as to how many problems it may or may not have caused here.
Again... nothing was broken, and nothing needed fix'n as it was prior.

Then the administration can stay on task with more rewarding and more important issues.

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wingless;666654 wrote: You have to love the anonymity of the rating system. It permits keyboard cowards to flex their muscles.

The system could be tweaked to automatically sign the rating comments. I wonder why they don't do that?


According to the Vbulletin link I copied some info from, there is supposed to be a way to see that info. Kinda of a Search form. I haven't seen how to get to that. Guessing something else that needs to be enabled. I'm going to PM the Mod handling this.

This may be an Admin Only function. If so, they should be able to edit or delete targeted or spiteful comments/ratings. I have PM'd Ryan/biohazard concerning this.

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crowder.dr;666718 wrote: I would assume that from the Moderators and Administrators point of view given there have been 43 individual posters to this thread out of 12,623 registered members, some members are for it, some are against it, and some like myself think it is irrelevant. But in the end 43 people regardless of their position is hardly an overwhelming segment of the membership and a reason to abandon a new site feature without it having been tried and fairly evaluated. :D


To rate the number of posters to total membership is not fair; to rate the number of posters and the PM messages for and against the rating system would be more fair;but, we will never be able to see the PM's to the administrators. How do we fairly rate the total of opinions of: for-neutral-against?

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crowder.dr;666718 wrote: I would assume that from the Moderators and Administrators point of view given there have been 43 individual posters to this thread out of 12,623 registered members, some members are for it, some are against it, and some like myself think it is irrelevant. But in the end 43 people regardless of their position is hardly an overwhelming segment of the membership and a reason to abandon a new site feature without it having been tried and fairly evaluated. :D


I think saying that only 43 out of 12,623 members are agaisnt this feature is a cop out. The people who are against it are the people that post here every day, or log on everyday to see what's going on. I would venture a guess that the vast majority of your truly ACTIVE members, do not like this feature. Of course the ten thousand members that haven't been here since 2005 don't give a hoot about the feature.

The only real way to test my theory is to put up a poll, and put it in the general section so it's not buried in the club and website section. But of course that will never happen, because, as we were told, this not a democracy. It's a few people with power trips doing whatever they need to do to make them feel good about themselves. JMHO, of course. ;)

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boatworkfl;666724 wrote: To rate the number of posters to total membership is not fair; to rate the number of posters and the PM messages for and against the rating system would be more fair;but, we will never be able to see the PM's to the administrators. How do we failly rate the total of opinions of: for-neutral-against?


You beat me to it, by like a second!

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I'm going to bet that the positive replies to the mods have been minimal; a tiny slice of the membership. IF there were any real numbers, we'd hear from some of them here. The conflict is not so severe that one would be hesitant to voice their opinions in favor of it.

There are 3 things that really kinda frost me about this:
- the 'too bad but we are the bosses' type reply
- the fact that a group where everyone generally gets along well has this BS rammed down our throats, it can only divide us
- being call SPAM and generally given the impression that our opinions are irrelevant, or whining, or premature

I don't really care to give it a chance. It is a stupid feature.
And I don't want to rate others, nor do I want to be rated myself.
dumb dumb DUMB, and getting worse with the insistence that it is part of the game here now,,,,,to stay :thumb

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cwiert;666725 wrote: I think saying that only 43 out of 12,623 members are agaisnt this feature is a cop out. The people who are against it are the people that post here every day, or log on everyday to see what's going on. I would venture a guess that the vast majority of your truly ACTIVE members, do not like this feature. Of course the ten thousand members that haven't been here since 2005 don't give a hoot about the feature.

The only real way to test my theory is to put up a poll, and put it in the general section so it's not buried in the club and website section. But of course that will never happen, because, as we were told, this not a democracy. It's a few people with power trips doing whatever they need to do to make them feel good about themselves. JMHO, of course. ;)


I did not say 43 people were against the feature I said ONLY 43 people CARED one way or the other or were totally INDIFFERENT. Look at the number of views this post has had and none of those other over 2000 views CARED enough to leave an opinion. A poll may not seem like a bad idea on the surface and it is certainly possible. So what would the pass be 6,314 votes in favor? So where do Administrators draw the line then on administering the site. Put every decision up for a vote ? For how long, What is the Pass margin ? Who gets to word smith the poll ?

The simple fact of the matter is that if you dont want to use the feature, dont. If no one uses it and no one cares what values are there it will die a natural death the Mods and Admin will see the results and make a decision to keep or remove it based on that trial.

I dont have a horse in this race and dont care one way or the other. I did not have a Rep when I came in, dont have one now, and if I got one would not care anyway. I post my views and opinions and people either take them or leave them.

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LazyCrusr;666753 wrote: I'm going to bet that the positive replies to the mods have been minimal; a tiny slice of the membership. IF there were any real numbers, we'd hear from some of them here. The conflict is not so severe that one would be hesitant to voice their opinions in favor of it.

+ 1

In fact, I'll make this a challenge, and ask those who are in favor of this to publicly voice their opinions.
Then we can compare notes.
I think it will be interesting to see how many are in favor of it.

I know, I know.... this is not a democracy and we actually have no say in it....... just say'n!

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2850Bounty;666757 wrote: + 1

In fact, I'll make this a challenge, and ask those who are in favor of this to publicly voice their opinions.
Then we can compare notes.
I think it will be interesting to see how many are in favor of it.

I know, I know.... this is not a democracy and we actually have no say in it....... just say'n!


I would suggest hiding the post count of each member as well then if you truly only want to be rated on your content not your activity here and any other rating system. :pop

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LazyCrusr;666753 wrote: I'm going to bet that the positive replies to the mods have been minimal; a tiny slice of the membership. IF there were any real numbers, we'd hear from some of them here. The conflict is not so severe that one would be hesitant to voice their opinions in favor of it.

There are 3 things that really kinda frost me about this:
- the 'too bad but we are the bosses' type reply
- the fact that a group where everyone generally gets along well has this BS rammed down our throats, it can only divide us
- being call SPAM and generally given the impression that our opinions are irrelevant, or whining, or premature

I don't really care to give it a chance. It is a stupid feature.
And I don't want to rate others, nor do I want to be rated myself.
dumb dumb DUMB, and getting worse with the insistence that it is part of the game here now,,,,,to stay :thumb

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Well I really don't care but my thoughts go here.
We all see posts that really shouldn't be made. Infromation wrong to the question or simply wrong in any situation.
Post count posts.
And so on.
So if this makes one think a bit before posting, would it help the site overall?
If I don't like it I will opt out. We all have that choice.

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dmcb;666767 wrote: Well I really don't care but my thoughts go here.
We all see posts that really shouldn't be made. Infromation wrong to the question or simply wrong in any situation.
Post count posts.
And so on.
So if this makes one think a bit before posting, would it help the site overall?
If I don't like it I will opt out. We all have that choice.


Good for you Doug makes sense to me :D

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crowder.dr;666755 wrote: Look at the number of views this post has had and none of those other over 2000 views CARED enough to leave an opinion.


I have been biting my tongue through out this whole ordeal but this really made me have to say something.

1) Having a 0 or 1 Rep Power does not make me inept.

2) Why should I have left an opinion (look at above statement) prior to this one, my responses don't mean anything because my Rep Power is just 1.

This is the way I have been made to feel by those who are for this system. Its a shame.

(Wow..somehow I moved up to 2. Why I don't know. It's crazy)

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245_Tom;666770 wrote: I have been biting my tongue through out this whole ordeal but this really made me have to say something.

1) Having a 0 or 1 Rep Power does not make me inept.

2) Why should I have left an opinion (look at above statement) prior to this one, my responses don't mean anything because my Rep Power is just 1.

This is the way I have been made to feel by those who are for this system. Its a shame.

(Wow..somehow I moved up to 2. Why I don't know. It's crazy)



Maybe it was a brib.

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boatworkfl;666771 wrote: Maybe it was a brib.


Yeah..good one!!

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